Sutil involved in alleged bar fight post-China GP

[fjackdaw]

Although I don't like Hamilton very much, I think that Sutil was wrong here. You can't make your friends commit perjury, period.

Well, Lewis has learnt all about the downside of lying to officials!

[CoopsII]

But, as a good russian proberb says, "a friend is tested in troubles."

The English equivalent is "A friend in need is a friend indeed"

I think I much prefer the Russian one as the English one is crap, irritating and rhymes

[solarcold]

But, as a good russian proberb says, "a friend is tested in troubles."

The English equivalent is "A friend in need is a friend indeed"

I think I much prefer the Russian one as the English one is irritating and rhymes

Happy to hear that Well, this is just my own amateur translation of the proverb.

[mario]

Nevertheless, given what Sutil claims (I mean Lewis ignorant behaviour towards him last day) is enough to realize that Adrian is quite right about Lewis.

Given that Sutil admitted the assault and apologised for it Im not sure what help he thought "Star Witness" Hamilton was going to be. I think Hamilton was quite right to avoid appearing, total waste of time. If the quotes attributed to Sutil are true then it isnt exactly the sort of behviour likely to endear him to future F1 teams.

It's a big if - it's not uncommon for some newspapers to twist or otherwise trim quotes to fit in with a more dramatic or eye catching narrative, and trying to portray Hamilton and Sutil having a major argument could help sell papers.
After all, there were reports in the German press about two weeks back that suggested Alonso had been criticising Vettel, but when the original source had been tracked down it transpired that the German media had edited the quote fairly heavily to remove some parts of what Alonso had said (which included a reference that showed the quote was at least six months out of date and possibly older) and completely rewrote some parts in order to make Alonso look more critical of Vettel. It wouldn't surprise me, therefore, if some selective editing of Sutil's recent comments might have been made to make his criticism of Hamilton look harsher than originally intended.

[CoopsII]

I remember back when MSC took out Damon Hill in 1994 one of our tabloids ran a story about team-mate Nigel Mansell accusing MSC of being prepared to kill Hill to win the title. "Sources close to Mansell claim.." was included in the piece. The article closed with a one liner about Nigel Mansells spokesman stating that Nigel had no comment to make regarding the Adelaide incident

But all people remembered was the headline....

[James1978]

Where's the source about what Sutil has said, or reported to have said, about Hamilton?

[CoopsII]

Here you go...

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sp ... oward.html

Pick the bones out of that.

[tommykl]

Aahh....

Well I heard that you're leavin' (leavin')
Gonna leave me far behind (so far behind)
'Cause you found a brand new lover
You decided that I'm not your kind (aahh..)

So I pulled (I pulled) your name out (name out) of my Rolodex (oohh..)
And I tore all your pictures in two
And I burned down the malt shop where we used to go
Just because it reminds me of you (dippity dippity doo)

That's right (that's right) you ain't gonna see me cryin'
I'm glad (I'm glad) that you found somebody new
'Cause I'd rather spend eternity eating shards of broken glass
Than spend one more minute with you

I guess I might seem kinda bitter
You got me feeling down in the dumps
'Cause I'm stranded all alone in the gas station of love
And I have to use the self-service pumps

Oh, so honey, let me help you with that suitcase
You ain't (you ain't) gonna break my heart in two
'Cause I'd rather get a hundred thousand paper cuts on my face
Than spend one more minute with you

I'd rather rip out my intestines with a fork
Than watch you going out with other men
I'd rather slam my fingers in a door (yah)
Again and again and again and again and again

Oh, can't you see what I'm tryin' to say, Darlin...

I'd rather have my blood sucked out by leeches (leeches)
Shove an icepick under a toenail or two
I'd rather clean all the bathrooms in Grand Central Station with my tongue
Than spend one more minute with you

Yes, I'd rather jump naked on a huge pile of thumbtacks
Or stick my nostrils together with crazy glue
I'd rather dive into a swimming pool filled with double-edged razor blades
Than spend one more minute with you

I'd rather rip my heart right out of my ribcage with my bare hands
and then throw it on the floor and stomp on it 'till I die...
*Squeak!*
Than spend one more minute with you

[James1978]

Here you go...

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sp ... oward.html

Pick the bones out of that.

Thanks!

It's the Sun, nuff said.

[CoopsII]

It's the Sun, nuff said.

And not one source named or even hinted at . British journalism, best in the world

[Sunshine_Baby_[IT]]

'Cause I'd rather spend eternity eating shards of broken glass

This is what Sutil should do!

[mario]

It's the Sun, nuff said.

And not one source named or even hinted at . British journalism, best in the world

Sadly, they aren't the only ones whose journalism is a little shoddy - The Sun does seem to be lifting its story from the German gutter press as they have been saying pretty much the same thing. I'm yet to see any of the more reputable news sources, like Reuters, the BBC or Autosport, pick up on the story, so it suggests that they might be a little wary of the story right now. There does also seem to be a slight irony if it is true that Sutil is complaining that Hamilton did not make himself present at the trial, given that Lux's main complaint was that Sutil similarly refused to meet him in person when Lux asked Sutil to apologise for what had happened...

[Ferrarist]

Where's the source about what Sutil has said, or reported to have said, about Hamilton?

In German: http://www.bild.de/sport/motorsport/adr ... .bild.html

Granted, it is the unofficial German version of the Sun .

[East Londoner]

Tabloids reporting sport news: about 99.99% recuring is utter bullshite, with possibly one grain of truth, hidden under the muck...

[eytl]

It's the Sun, nuff said.

And not one source named or even hinted at . British journalism, best in the world

Sadly, they aren't the only ones whose journalism is a little shoddy - The Sun does seem to be lifting its story from the German gutter press as they have been saying pretty much the same thing. I'm yet to see any of the more reputable news sources, like Reuters, the BBC or Autosport, pick up on the story, so it suggests that they might be a little wary of the story right now. There does also seem to be a slight irony if it is true that Sutil is complaining that Hamilton did not make himself present at the trial, given that Lux's main complaint was that Sutil similarly refused to meet him in person when Lux asked Sutil to apologise for what had happened...

Well the Sydney Morning Herald has picked it up (via Reuters) and made it their front page story: here.

Mind you, the SMH here is becoming more sensationalist by the minute ...

[CoopsII]

Theres some substance to the story if Mclaren have at least confirmed they advised Hamilton to keep quiet. All of which makes Sutil look stupid. All this seems diversionary nonsense to distract from the fact he's guilty of assaulting someone.

I know Hamilton has his critics but lets not forget in this instance he actually isnt the criminal, Sutil is. Despite an earlier post of mine I hope Sutil never drives in F1 again.

I wonder if its time AdrianSutil the F1 Rejects member changed his name....?

[mario]

Where's the source about what Sutil has said, or reported to have said, about Hamilton?

In German: http://www.bild.de/sport/motorsport/adr ... .bild.html

Granted, it is the unofficial German version of the Sun .

That would explain a lot then - Bild are also getting into trouble over the recent story that briefly popped up on Autosport about the legality of the MP4-27 and was promptly withdrawn after it turned out that the freelance journalist who'd written the story had essentially fabricated the story (the comments he claimed Geoff McGrath had made turned out to be very inaccurate - moreover, it turns out that McGrath works for McLaren's Applied Technology division and has nothing to do with the F1 team).

[Jocke1]

[mediocre]

So, Sutil has an offer to drive WTCC. Tiago Monteiro II. that is.

[Stramala]

Well the Sydney Morning Herald has picked it up (via Reuters) and made it their front page story: here.

Mind you, the SMH here is becoming more sensationalist by the minute ...

I have uncovered proof that everything the SMH publishes is fabricated bullshit; it may not be interesting to read for most of you, but 100% of every "quote" in this article was an invention of the author's mind.

[mario]

Well the Sydney Morning Herald has picked it up (via Reuters) and made it their front page story: here.

Mind you, the SMH here is becoming more sensationalist by the minute ...

I have uncovered proof that everything the SMH publishes is fabricated bullshit; it may not be interesting to read for most of you, but 100% of every "quote" in this article was an invention of the author's mind.

The other thing that is curious about the allegations that Sutil has been criticising Hamilton is that the story has not been picked up by some of the more reliable media outlets that focus on motor sport - Autosport, for example, does not seem to have published anything on this story whilst other newspapers are reporting the story with the line "as reported by Bild" - i.e. they are essentially repeating what Bild has said, not necessarily researching the story themselves.
It may well be the case that Sutil is frustrated that Hamilton did not testify and has criticised him (although I would strongly suspect that the quote has been selectively edited to make his criticism much harsher). Similarly, I do consider it possible that McLaren have leaned heavily on Hamilton to back away from Sutil; McLaren's employees were cutting off questions about Sutil at the launch of the MP4-27 before Hamilton could reply, and they might have also dissuaded Hamilton from testifying in court. However, at the moment we don't have an awful lot of evidence for these claims beyond what Sutil is quoted as saying by a questionable news outlet: so for now I am inclined to question whether the story is quite as it is being reported.

[AdrianSutil]

I wonder if its time AdrianSutil the F1 Rejects member changed his name....?

Nope . Not doing that.

[CoopsII]

I wonder if its time AdrianSutil the F1 Rejects member changed his name....?

Nope . Not doing that.

Then you'll have to submit to periodic body searches, then. Just in case you're tooled up and ready to kick off or something

[AdrianSutil]

I wonder if its time AdrianSutil the F1 Rejects member changed his name....?

Nope . Not doing that.

Then you'll have to submit to periodic body searches, then. Just in case you're tooled up and ready to kick off or something

You wouldn't even know if I was. I'm quick

[CoopsII]

You wouldn't even know if I was. I'm quick

Roller boots again?

[James1978]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/16876183

Apparently Force India didn't drop Sutil because of this incident. Yeah right.

[DanielPT]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/16876183

Apparently Force India didn't drop Sutil because of this incident. Yeah right.

They may be right, though. Let's think a bit about this. When Hulkenberg came to FI it was made known, during last year, that he had a clause which gave him a seat this year. Paul Di Resta was fully backed up by Mercedes so he had to stay. The team would have to decide between not respecting Hulkenberg clause or drop Sutil. Since Di Resta proved himself a near match for Sutil on his debut year, it was clear that Sutil was bidding his time on Force India. Nevertheless I agree that this incident prevented Sutil from finding other team though...

[Faustus]

Ressurecting this old thread in light of recent comments from Adrian Sutil:

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/99621

Deluded?

[Phoenix]

Ressurecting this old thread in light of recent comments from Adrian Sutil:

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/99621

Deluded?

He might as well surprise us and make a comeback. Maybe Williams would like to have him for next year...

[AdrianSutil]

Ressurecting this old thread in light of recent comments from Adrian Sutil:

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/99621

Deluded?

Not at all. He impressed with his performances in the second half of 2011. But something like a Ferrari or Mercedes drive is a bit much. Maybe someone like Marussia when/if Glock finally gets bored. I'm not sure if Medion still back him, but they brought a decent amount of money.

[DanielPT]

Ressurecting this old thread in light of recent comments from Adrian Sutil:

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/99621

Deluded?

Not at all. He impressed with his performances in the second half of 2011. But something like a Ferrari or Mercedes drive is a bit much. Maybe someone like Marussia when/if Glock finally gets bored. I'm not sure if Medion still back him, but they brought a decent amount of money.

This is really F1Rejects all right! A fan of an F1 driver who is not deluded about where his favourite driver belongs! Outstanding!

[CoopsII]

He impressed with his performances in the second half of 2011.

Did he? Looking at the stats in the second half of 2011 he was more or less level with his rookie team-mate. The linked article, to me at least, shows Sutil is still inflated with his own self-importance which seems based on who knows what? I agree he could find a home at somewhere like HRT though, I think thats probably his limit nowadays.

[David AGS]

I did read somewhere that he is no longer backed by Medion.

Went on like Medion has just been taken over by Lenovo, and has ended the deal

[AdrianSutil]

Oh how this website forgets

[tzerof1]

I think Jaime Alguersuari has a greater chance of getting a 2012 drive....honestly I struggle to recall any other team showing any serious interest in Sutil during his time at Spyker/Force India. And, not that this would ever probably happen, but what if Ferrari actually did sack Massa and brought in Sutil as the temporary replacement?

[Klon]

Sutil is finished, him going Stone Cold on Renault's arse will forever ruin his reputation, nothing short of winning his debut race at the end of 2011 would have done anything about that. A return of Rubens Barrichello is more likely, and we all know how bloody likely that is.

[DanielPT]

Sutil is finished, him going Stone Cold on Renault's arse will forever ruin his reputation, nothing short of winning his debut race at the end of 2011 would have done anything about that. A return of Rubens Barrichello is more likely, and we all know how bloody likely that is.

I still think Eric Lux told him, in his face, that he was crap.

[Klon]

Sutil is finished, him going Stone Cold on Renault's arse will forever ruin his reputation, nothing short of winning his debut race at the end of 2011 would have done anything about that. A return of Rubens Barrichello is more likely, and we all know how bloody likely that is.

I still think Eric Lux told him, in his face, that he was crap.

Well then he should have done what all intelligent famous people do - hire some thugs to beat him up. Most of the times, if you want something done, you need to do it yourself but for violence and translation it is better to ask professionals.

[eurobrun]

Sutil is finished, him going Stone Cold on Renault's arse will forever ruin his reputation, nothing short of winning his debut race at the end of 2011 would have done anything about that. A return of Rubens Barrichello is more likely, and we all know how bloody likely that is.

I still think Eric Lux told him, in his face, that he was crap.

Well then he should have done what all intelligent famous people do - hire some thugs to beat him up. Most of the times, if you want something done, you need to do it yourself but for violence and translation it is better to ask professionals.

I have no idea what Lux said to make Sutil angry.

[DanielPT]

Sutil is finished, him going Stone Cold on Renault's arse will forever ruin his reputation, nothing short of winning his debut race at the end of 2011 would have done anything about that. A return of Rubens Barrichello is more likely, and we all know how bloody likely that is.

I still think Eric Lux told him, in his face, that he was crap.

Well then he should have done what all intelligent famous people do - hire some thugs to beat him up. Most of the times, if you want something done, you need to do it yourself but for violence and translation it is better to ask professionals.

Or perhaps I am mistaken. Lux might have offended Hamilton, who then promptly hired Sutil as a thug to beat him up!