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Re: Young driver test to move to Silverstone?

Postby eurobrun » 14 Jul 2012, 19:46

Captain Hammer wrote:So we'll just overlook the drive-through penalites for avoidable accidents, shall we? And while we're at it, let's forget about the way Senna only beat Petrov once in the six races they both finished - and that that once was at Singapore, which was a nightmare for the team. In fact, the way Senna finished, on average, four places behind Petrov isn't really representative of anything, either.


One thing I found is that whenever Senna wasn't crashing himself he was getting caught up in other peoples crashes.
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Re: Young driver test to move to Silverstone?

Postby mario » 14 Jul 2012, 21:10

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giraurd wrote:Yeah they have been rare, but we know he has the potential to do good with that Williams. Even if it is just two times a season - I personally believe one flash on the podium would do more good for Williams than eleven P7's Alguersuari would bring.


11 finishes in 7th = 66 points. Two podiums = 50 points at most. The WCC is incredibly important to a midfield team with all the prize money involved and in a year like this, every point matters. Therefore your argument is invalid :lol:

giraurd wrote:Williams has got a good lineup and bringing another driver in would be a waste imho.


Define 'good'. They've got the same problem as Toro Rosso have right now. If they combined their two drivers together (Maldonado's pace with Senna's consistency), they'd have one really good driver. Instead they've got one whose far too temperamental and crash happy to be useful 90% of the time and the other's so damn slow on Saturday that he's too far behind the eight ball to maximise the car's potential. As I said a few weeks ago, they should be well and clearly ahead of Sauber in the championship right now. Instead, they're barely ahead of the slower but far more consistent Force Indias.

Arguably, Maldonado has cost Williams more points than his win in Spain - his crash in Melbourne cost the team at least 8 points, and his crash in Valencia (even if I would agree with those saying that it wasn't entirely his fault) cost the team a potential 15 points for 3rd (Hamilton's tyres were so shot that I could not see him holding Maldonado off much longer). In Britain, he then crashed out whilst fighting with Perez over a potential 7th place, which would have seen him gain another 6 points, so Maldonado's accidents have cost the team at least 29 points - and that is before we consider what points he could have picked up in Monaco had he not rammed Perez in practise and ended up being put to the back of the grid, before crashing into De La Rosa and taking both of them out at the start.

If you take those lost points into account, Williams, instead of being stuck on 44 points and 7th in the WCC, could have been on 73 points and 6th in the WCC. If you then consider that Mercedes would have their points total reduced by seven points (4th instead of 3rd in Valencia and 8th instead of 7th in Britain for Schumacher, and 7th instead of 6th for Rosberg in Valencia), Mercedes would then be on just 91 points in the WCC - so there could even be the faint prospect of 5th place in the WCC for Williams given Rosberg's slight slump in form recently.

As for giraud's comments about the publicity that Maldonado has generated, it is true that Maldonado's victory in Spain gave the team a major shot in the arm and a lot of positive headlines, even if that victory was overshadowed by the fire that came afterwards. On the other hand, since then Maldonado has been making the headlines for the wrong reasons - the penalty for his clash with Perez in Monaco and crashing into De La Rosa lead to a fair amount of criticism in the press afterwards, and his more recent clashes, combined with Perez's rather critical remarks following their clash in Silverstone, has only further tarnished his reputation.
At this point, your average casual fan will probably have forgotten the positive image that came about after his victory in Spain - what they are now more likely to picture is Perez's indignation, and Maldonado's broken car cartwheeling its way across the track.

As for Bruno, whilst he is staying out of trouble more often than Maldonado, he is virtually anonymous by comparison - he has made no notable passes, nor any notable performances in qualifying (his highest starting position is 13th). He may have his high points occasionally through the season, but for most of the time that is drowned in a sea of pretty average results at best. From the outside, their current drivers perhaps have more people talking about Williams than before, but that isn't necessarily always in a beneficial manner, nor is it necessarily paying off in terms of cold, hard cash at the end of the day.
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Re: Young driver test to move to Silverstone?

Postby BlindCaveSalamander » 15 Jul 2012, 00:51

eurobrun wrote:
Captain Hammer wrote:So we'll just overlook the drive-through penalites for avoidable accidents, shall we? And while we're at it, let's forget about the way Senna only beat Petrov once in the six races they both finished - and that that once was at Singapore, which was a nightmare for the team. In fact, the way Senna finished, on average, four places behind Petrov isn't really representative of anything, either.


One thing I found is that whenever Senna wasn't crashing himself he was getting caught up in other peoples crashes.


That excuse only holds water for so long. At some point Senna has to stop getting himself into those kinds of situations.
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Re: Young driver test to move to Silverstone?

Postby eurobrun » 15 Jul 2012, 11:18

I have just realised that Maldonado could have exactly double the amount of points he has now if he learnt to stop driving like a moving wrecking ball.
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Re: Young driver test to move to Silverstone?

Postby mario » 24 Aug 2012, 01:44

Bumping this back up, the latest news in Autosport suggests that at least two teams now intend to hold their Young Driver tests at Mangy Cours - it appears that Ferrari's suggestion of a post season test at Jerez was not especially popular, so they have decided to cancel that plan and have announced that they will be testing at Mangy Cours after the Italian GP. The other team is yet to be confirmed, but is believed to be Mercedes - not least because they were the first team to suggest using Mangy Cours as a test venue.
Whilst Red Bull, McLaren and Toro Rosso are still fully committed to their planned post season test in Abu Dhabi, the remaining quartet of Sauber, Lotus, Caterham and Force India are yet to declare their plans - Autosport have suggested, however, that Force India might be joining Ferrari and Mercedes in Mangy Cours too. http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/101902
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Re: Young driver test to move to Silverstone?

Postby tommykl » 24 Aug 2012, 03:36

mario wrote:Bumping this back up, the latest news in Autosport suggests that at least two teams now intend to hold their Young Driver tests at Mangy Cours - it appears that Ferrari's suggestion of a post season test at Jerez was not especially popular, so they have decided to cancel that plan and have announced that they will be testing at Mangy Cours after the Italian GP. The other team is yet to be confirmed, but is believed to be Mercedes - not least because they were the first team to suggest using Mangy Cours as a test venue.
Whilst Red Bull, McLaren and Toro Rosso are still fully committed to their planned post season test in Abu Dhabi, the remaining quartet of Sauber, Lotus, Caterham and Force India are yet to declare their plans - Autosport have suggested, however, that Force India might be joining Ferrari and Mercedes in Mangy Cours too. http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/101902

Would that be the first time since 2008 that F1 cars drive in Magny-Cours?
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Re: Young driver test to move to Silverstone?

Postby mario » 24 Aug 2012, 03:58

tommykl wrote:
mario wrote:Bumping this back up, the latest news in Autosport suggests that at least two teams now intend to hold their Young Driver tests at Mangy Cours - it appears that Ferrari's suggestion of a post season test at Jerez was not especially popular, so they have decided to cancel that plan and have announced that they will be testing at Mangy Cours after the Italian GP. The other team is yet to be confirmed, but is believed to be Mercedes - not least because they were the first team to suggest using Mangy Cours as a test venue.
Whilst Red Bull, McLaren and Toro Rosso are still fully committed to their planned post season test in Abu Dhabi, the remaining quartet of Sauber, Lotus, Caterham and Force India are yet to declare their plans - Autosport have suggested, however, that Force India might be joining Ferrari and Mercedes in Mangy Cours too. http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/101902

Would that be the first time since 2008 that F1 cars drive in Magny-Cours?

I don't know why I keep switching the g and n round like that...

Anyway, yes, I think that this would be the first time since 2008 that the circuit has been used by any of the teams, as normally the teams would prefer to test at Paul Ricard (due to the fact that the multiple layouts that can be used at Paul Ricard allow them to test multiple aero configurations back to back whilst remaining at the same venue). I believe that part of the reason why the teams might be more willing to test at Magny Cours now is because the French government has finally finished upgrading the road network in that region - poor transport links had always been a point of concern for the teams in the past.
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Re: Young driver test to move to Silverstone?

Postby sswishbone » 24 Aug 2012, 15:52

Conspiracy theorist hat on, this is try and entice the teams to support a return to france being held at Mangy cours instead of Paul Ricard
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Re: Young driver test to move to Silverstone?

Postby pasta_maldonado » 24 Aug 2012, 18:36

sswishbone wrote:Conspiracy theorist hat on, this is try and entice the teams to support a return to france being held at Mangy cours instead of Paul Ricard

Nah. I9'd rather go to Rouen-Les-Essarts...
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Re: Young driver test to move to Silverstone?

Postby eurobrun » 24 Aug 2012, 18:46

pasta_maldonado wrote:
sswishbone wrote:Conspiracy theorist hat on, this is try and entice the teams to support a return to france being held at Mangy cours instead of Paul Ricard

Nah. I'd rather go to Rouen-Les-Essarts...


How many fatalities do you want? :lol:
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Re: Young driver test to move to Silverstone?

Postby pasta_maldonado » 24 Aug 2012, 18:50

eurobrun wrote:
pasta_maldonado wrote:
sswishbone wrote:Conspiracy theorist hat on, this is try and entice the teams to support a return to france being held at Mangy cours instead of Paul Ricard

Nah. I'd rather go to Rouen-Les-Essarts...


How many fatalities do you want? :lol:

There'd be great racing though. Until someone hits a tree.
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Re: Young driver test to move to Silverstone?

Postby eurobrun » 24 Aug 2012, 18:52

pasta_maldonado wrote:
eurobrun wrote:
pasta_maldonado wrote:Nah. I'd rather go to Rouen-Les-Essarts...


How many fatalities do you want? :lol:

There'd be great racing though. Until someone hits a tree.


The racing has the potential to be epic, but I would rather no one gets taken out of the track in a pine box.
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Re: Young driver test to move to Silverstone?

Postby mario » 24 Aug 2012, 19:54

sswishbone wrote:Conspiracy theorist hat on, this is try and entice the teams to support a return to france being held at Mangy cours instead of Paul Ricard

The circuit chairman certainly seems to think that it will increase his chances of hosting the French GP:
“What’s more, this is an extremely positive step forward as we seek to return Formula 1 racing to our circuit. With Magny-Cours a candidate to host future French Grands Prix, it will be fantastic to showcase the track and our staff’s know-how to the high-calibre F1 personnel who will be on-site.”

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/08/23/f ... ours-test/

Anyway, Ferrari, Mercedes and Force India have now all confirmed that they will be testing at Magny Cours, with the test scheduled from 11-13th September.
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Re: Young driver test to move to Silverstone?

Postby eurobrun » 24 Aug 2012, 20:06

mario wrote:
sswishbone wrote:Conspiracy theorist hat on, this is try and entice the teams to support a return to france being held at Mangy cours instead of Paul Ricard

The circuit chairman certainly seems to think that it will increase his chances of hosting the French GP:
“What’s more, this is an extremely positive step forward as we seek to return Formula 1 racing to our circuit. With Magny-Cours a candidate to host future French Grands Prix, it will be fantastic to showcase the track and our staff’s know-how to the high-calibre F1 personnel who will be on-site.”

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/08/23/f ... ours-test/

Anyway, Ferrari, Mercedes and Force India have now all confirmed that they will be testing at Magny Cours, with the test scheduled from 11-13th September.


This doesn't surprise me, but I don't really want a return to Mangy Cours.
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