Mugello - A drivers Track?

[razta]

After reading through the comments of the drivers regarding the track.. it does seem to me that nearly all of them, if not all really like the place..
as James Allen describes

One constant to continue coming out of the test was drivers’ enjoyment at tackling the fast flowing 3.259-mile circuit, Vettel even saying: “unfortunately we don’t have this track on the calendar. It’s an incredible circuit with a lot of high-speed corners.” However, while proving popular with the men behind the wheel, its average lap speed, Spa and Silverstone aside, is atypical of most of the circuits currently on the calendar and therefore less useful for engineer

Come on Bernie call it quits on Valencia.. and PUT MUGELLO ON THE CALENDAR!

[RealRacingRoots]

Mugello is a fun track. It's probably one of the best tracks in the Forza games. (Outside Alpine Ring, Rio, and Ladera)

[Wizzie]

I've done a few laps around Mugello (Mostly to test F2RWRS liveries) and I've always had a blast around there (Even if I ended up planting it into a wall at the end of every run )

[razta]

Looks like Mugello are on it..
http://www.yallaf1.com/2012/05/03/mugel ... aF1.com%29

[Klon]

You lads are aware of the fact that due to the unofficial "one race per country" regulation, a space for Mugello on the F1 calendar would remove Monza from it for some time?

[razta]

You lads are aware of the fact that due to the unofficial "one race per country" regulation, a space for Mugello on the F1 calendar would remove Monza from it for some time?

yeah they can call it the "Tuscan" GP

[Wizzie]

You lads are aware of the fact that due to the unofficial "one race per country" regulation, a space for Mugello on the F1 calendar would remove Monza from it for some time?

That's what the European GP's for

[razta]

You lads are aware of the fact that due to the unofficial "one race per country" regulation, a space for Mugello on the F1 calendar would remove Monza from it for some time?

That's what the European GP's for

HAHAHAHAH

[DanielPT]

You lads are aware of the fact that due to the unofficial "one race per country" regulation, a space for Mugello on the F1 calendar would remove Monza from it for some time?

Given that Bernie still has Valencia and Barcelona, two of the most boring tracks on the calendar (in case of Valencia, on Earth) and that should be considered a crime of some sort in the EU, I see no trouble to find space for Mugello and Monza, if, and this is a big if, an Italian Champion is found. Valsecchi is looking good on GP2, but since he is against below par opposition (in the larger part), I still place my doubts on him...

[Klon]

Given that Bernie still has Valencia and Barcelona, two of the most boring tracks on the calendar (in case of Valencia, on Earth) and that should be considered a crime of some sort in the EU, I see no trouble to find space for Mugello and Monza, if, and this is a big if, an Italian Champion is found. Valsecchi is looking good on GP2, but he is against below par opposition (in the larger part), I still place my doubts on him...

Well, Valencia and Barcelona are as good as confirmed for a rotation in the future, so the "European Grand Prix" will soon die its (inevitable, given the current situation) death.

[Wizzie]

You lads are aware of the fact that due to the unofficial "one race per country" regulation, a space for Mugello on the F1 calendar would remove Monza from it for some time?

Given that Bernie still has Valencia and Barcelona, two of the most boring tracks on the calendar (in case of Valencia, on Earth) and that should be considered a crime of some sort in the EU, I see no trouble to find space for Mugello and Monza, if, and this is a big if, an Italian Champion is found. Valsecchi is looking good on GP2, but he is against below par opposition (in the larger part), I still place my doubts on him...

Sort of like one P. Maldonado during his GP2 championship year...

[DanielPT]

You lads are aware of the fact that due to the unofficial "one race per country" regulation, a space for Mugello on the F1 calendar would remove Monza from it for some time?

Given that Bernie still has Valencia and Barcelona, two of the most boring tracks on the calendar (in case of Valencia, on Earth) and that should be considered a crime of some sort in the EU, I see no trouble to find space for Mugello and Monza, if, and this is a big if, an Italian Champion is found. Valsecchi is looking good on GP2, but he is against below par opposition (in the larger part), I still place my doubts on him...

Sort of like one P. Maldonado during his GP2 championship year...

Well, Maldonado won in front of Sergio Perez and Jules Bianchi, but the first was only in his second season and the second was a rookie. I consider that the Reverend had reasonable opposition unlike others who I will not name here but just say that their names are similar to these separate set of letters: Pantano and Glock...

[Backmarker]

Vitaly Petrov doesn't want F1 to go to Mugello. He's going to have a fit when he sees how narrow Monaco is.

[dr-baker]

Vitaly Petrov doesn't want F1 to go to Mugello. He's going to have a fit when he sees how narrow Monaco is.

Then he's going to have to race round Singapore... IN THE DARK!

[Yannick]

How about the San Marino GP in Mugello?

[AndreaModa]

It's something I've thought about as well. I suspect there may be some interest in taking F1 there, particularly with the MotoGP there too already. Perhaps we may see a situation in the future, if Mugello can commit to F1, where they share the Italian GP slot with Monza and alternate? I'd rather see more high-speed tracks on the calender, so taking Monza off every other year would be a bit sad, but I can't see how they'd fit it in without doing so, unless the European GP is freed up and perhaps alternates a series of tracks (say Imola, Mugello, the Red Bull Ring, Brno, and others maybe).

[FMecha]

How about the San Marino GP in Mugello?

Seconded. Monza is too historical to be alternated. Problem is, how about the track licensing? It is only 1T at the moment.

[mario]

How about the San Marino GP in Mugello?

Seconded. Monza is too historical to be alternated. Problem is, how about the track licensing? It is only 1T at the moment.

True, although being at the 1T level means that they are effectively most of the way towards getting the appropriate licence, so it probably would require less effort to get the track up to standard than most venues.
However, the financing of such an event might be an issue given that Ferrari own the venue - I cannot imagine that they'd want to pay the sort of fees that Bernie normally demands, and with so many other venues trying to work their way onto an increasingly congested calender, Bernie wouldn't want to give the race away for nothing (not to mention that CVC's debts would prevent that from happening anyway).
Besides, Imola is currently trying to work its way back onto the calendar and in August last year, following an inspection from Whiting, Imola was given back its Grade 1 license (having held a 1T license after the recent reconstruction) - I would imagine, therefore, that there might be considerable competition between the two venues if Bernie did countenance the idea of adding either Mugello or Imola onto the calendar.

[DanielPT]

How about the San Marino GP in Mugello?

Seconded. Monza is too historical to be alternated. Problem is, how about the track licensing? It is only 1T at the moment.

True, although being at the 1T level means that they are effectively most of the way towards getting the appropriate licence, so it probably would require less effort to get the track up to standard than most venues.
However, the financing of such an event might be an issue given that Ferrari own the venue - I cannot imagine that they'd want to pay the sort of fees that Bernie normally demands, and with so many other venues trying to work their way onto an increasingly congested calender, Bernie wouldn't want to give the race away for nothing (not to mention that CVC's debts would prevent that from happening anyway).
Besides, Imola is currently trying to work its way back onto the calendar and in August last year, following an inspection from Whiting, Imola was given back its Grade 1 license (having held a 1T license after the recent reconstruction) - I would imagine, therefore, that there might be considerable competition between the two venues if Bernie did countenance the idea of adding either Mugello or Imola onto the calendar.

Ferrari could decide to put the event forward instead of receiving the "historic and VIP" bonus they currently receive and rumoured they will keep receiving for the new concorde agreement.

[Benetton]

How about the San Marino GP in Mugello?

Seconded. Monza is too historical to be alternated. Problem is, how about the track licensing? It is only 1T at the moment.

True, although being at the 1T level means that they are effectively most of the way towards getting the appropriate licence, so it probably would require less effort to get the track up to standard than most venues.
However, the financing of such an event might be an issue given that Ferrari own the venue - I cannot imagine that they'd want to pay the sort of fees that Bernie normally demands, and with so many other venues trying to work their way onto an increasingly congested calender, Bernie wouldn't want to give the race away for nothing (not to mention that CVC's debts would prevent that from happening anyway).
Besides, Imola is currently trying to work its way back onto the calendar and in August last year, following an inspection from Whiting, Imola was given back its Grade 1 license (having held a 1T license after the recent reconstruction) - I would imagine, therefore, that there might be considerable competition between the two venues if Bernie did countenance the idea of adding either Mugello or Imola onto the calendar.

How is the new Imola layout? Am I completely in the wrong if I say that they took away a few chicanes from the circuits and instead increased the average speed per lap? If that is the case I'd gladly welcome Imola back.

[AndreaModa]

It's good for Italian motorsport though that they have two Grade 1 tracks, and another one 1T. What grade is Misano? I'm guessing it's not quite up to scratch compared to Monza, Mugello and Imola.

It puts into the light the poor state of many of Britain's circuits though, which have now had decades of under-investment. With the obvious exception of Silverstone, and to a lesser extent Snetterton which has had it's extension, any other track in the UK would require a considerable amount of remodelling to get it even close to Grade 1 spec. Its a shame that good tracks like Cadwell Park and Oulton Park don't receive the attention they deserve, and that Donington's plans went so horribly wrong. There are so many good tracks in the UK that are crying out for some improvements and investment, but just aren't getting it.

[Backmarker]

How is the new Imola layout? Am I completely in the wrong if I say that they took away a few chicanes from the circuits and instead increased the average speed per lap? If that is the case I'd gladly welcome Imola back.

Think so - Variante Bassa's gone so Tamburello can be flat out, but there's a new chicane, pits and paddock rebuilt, new asphalt on most of the track. Track is slightly shorter, lap times should be quicker...hopefully someone like Formula Renault or will go and test it out. I could support a rotating European Grand Prix.

[Backmarker]

It's good for Italian motorsport though that they have two Grade 1 tracks, and another one 1T. What grade is Misano? I'm guessing it's not quite up to scratch compared to Monza, Mugello and Imola.

Actually Italy has 3 grade 1 (Imola, Monza and Mugello), 3 grade 2+1T (Adria, Misano, Vallelunga in both international and junior configurations) 2 grade 2(Franciacorta and Umbria-Magione), and 2 grade 3 (Pergusa and Varano de Melegari). But FIA grading is in part down to how much money you're willing to pay the FIA.

In Great Britain, Silverstone is the only grade 1, Brands Hatch, Rockingham and Donington are grade 2, Castle Combe, Croft, Oulton Park, Snetterton, Thruxton are all grade 3, Caldwell Park is grade 4, Goodwood is grade 4 for historic events, Lydden Hill is 6R. But if the grade 2 tracks were willing to give the FIA a load of money they could get homologated as grade 2+1T and F1 could test there - that's all that separates 2 and 2+1T, applying for the status and paying the application fee.

[nome66]

i always have fun with some f1 cars on the track in rFactor. more passing points than are set on paper!

[Pamphlet]

Webber himself also said that Mugello was too fast for a test, despite wanting it to enter the calendar. Petrov's point is not far off from that.

Stop whining. Hell, Petrov himself wasn't feeling well (read: luckily escaped injury) after that crash in Monaco. And I'm not talking about the one in qualifying.

[Sublime_FA11C]

The old Donnington was killer. Figures it would not have a chance in hell of hosting a GP without the track being bastradised. The only tricky problem was the pit lane.

[WeirdKerr]

The old Donnington was killer. Figures it would not have a chance in hell of hosting a GP without the track being bastradised. The only tricky problem was the pit lane.

Donnington was awarded the British grand prix a few years back but the whole thing degenerated into a farce then silverstone got it back.....

[AndreaModa]

The old Donnington was killer. Figures it would not have a chance in hell of hosting a GP without the track being bastradised. The only tricky problem was the pit lane.

Donnington was awarded the British grand prix a few years back but the whole thing degenerated into a farce then silverstone got it back.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIQK8Sm-UmU

And here's what it would have looked like, though it takes a while to get going in the video. Essentially the work wouldn't have been that much, mostly just to add the infield loop and cut out the esses at the end of the back straight. Now though it's all just a muddy mess that will take years to put right.

[eurobrun]

The old Donnington was killer. Figures it would not have a chance in hell of hosting a GP without the track being bastradised. The only tricky problem was the pit lane.

Donnington was awarded the British grand prix a few years back but the whole thing degenerated into a farce then silverstone got it back.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIQK8Sm-UmU

And here's what it would have looked like, though it takes a while to get going in the video. Essentially the work wouldn't have been that much, mostly just to add the infield loop and cut out the esses at the end of the back straight. Now though it's all just a muddy mess that will take years to put right.

I doubted that the Donnington move from the very start.