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Postby Klon » 07 Nov 2010, 11:43

Oh god, I feel so stupid. How could I forget about Rubens and Stewart? :o
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Re: trivia question....

Postby Nuppiz » 07 Nov 2010, 11:56

Continuing on the topic of pole positions, I got an idea for a question from this post:
Tealy wrote:Quick thought, when was the last time a reject was on Pole?

So, name all of the drivers who were rejects at the time they got their first pole position (not counting Indianapolis, of course). Also name the ones who stayed as rejects even after their first pole (i.e. didn't unrejectify themselves in the same GP).
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Re: trivia question....

Postby thehemogoblin » 07 Nov 2010, 12:15

Nuppiz wrote:Continuing on the topic of pole positions, I got an idea for a question from this post:
Tealy wrote:Quick thought, when was the last time a reject was on Pole?

So, name all of the drivers who were rejects at the time they got their first pole position. Also name the ones who stayed as rejects even after their first pole (i.e. didn't unrejectify themselves in the same GP).


Markus Winkelhock, nominally, is the most recent person to have started in first place as a reject.
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Re: trivia question....

Postby Shizuka » 07 Nov 2010, 18:36

Wizzie wrote:You're right for a Cosworth engine that was badged as such but there is one which is more recent with a rebadged Cosworth engine ;)


Fisichella, Interlagos 2003 1st

OR if you don't label Jordan's 2003 engine as Cosworth, instead FORD, then:

Irvine, Monza 2002 3rd
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Re: trivia question....

Postby mario » 07 Nov 2010, 21:10

Nuppiz wrote:
mario wrote:So, what fix did Lotus initially try to introduce, and what developments rendered it unnecessary in the end?

Would it be a type of progressive throttle to counteract the sudden surge of power, which became unneeded when the cars' grip levels in general drastically improved with wider tyres and the introduction of wings? (I read this from 8w)

Don't worry, I don't mind you looking it up. Yes, they did try to introduce a new progressive throttle linkage, although the improvements in grip rendered it obsolete (along with work by Cosworth to broaden the torque curve). It was a lot more sophisticated compared to what Lotus initially used - a thick plank of wood wedged behind the drivers seat.
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Re: trivia question....

Postby Phoenix » 07 Nov 2010, 22:40

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Klon wrote:Shouldn't that be New Zealand?

And the answer to the other question is Andrzej Jaroszewicz.

Here be the winner ;)


Wow, that was a nice difficult question, Phoenix. How did you know that?

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Re: trivia question....

Postby Aerond » 07 Nov 2010, 23:18

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Re: trivia question....

Postby dr-baker » 09 Nov 2010, 07:13

Nuppiz wrote:So, name all of the drivers who were rejects at the time they got their first pole position (not counting Indianapolis, of course). Also name the ones who stayed as rejects even after their first pole (i.e. didn't unrejectify themselves in the same GP).

Jacques Villeneuve was the first name that came to my mind...

Wizzie wrote:Here's a fairly simple one.

Excluding Hulkenberg's pole position earlier today when was the last time a Cosworth-powered car scored a pole position, who was the driver and where did said driver finish in the race?

And for a Cosworth engine that was not renamed/re-badged, Autosport.com said in their post-race statistical review:

Autosport.com wrote:This was the first pole for an engine badged "Cosworth". Previously the Cosworth name was associated with Ford and the combination Ford-Cosworth scored a total of 139 poles. That run began with the debut race of the legendary Lotus 49/Cosworth DFV in the 1967 Dutch Grand Prix (Graham Hill) and ending in the 1999 French Grand Prix, when Rubens Barrichello took pole for Stewart-Ford.

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Re: trivia question....

Postby Nuppiz » 09 Nov 2010, 08:34

dr-baker wrote:
Nuppiz wrote:So, name all of the drivers who were rejects at the time they got their first pole position (not counting Indianapolis, of course). Also name the ones who stayed as rejects even after their first pole (i.e. didn't unrejectify themselves in the same GP).

Jacques Villeneuve was the first name that came to my mind...

One correct. There's still a few more left.
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Re: trivia question....

Postby Tealy » 09 Nov 2010, 19:29

Nuppiz wrote:
dr-baker wrote:
Nuppiz wrote:So, name all of the drivers who were rejects at the time they got their first pole position (not counting Indianapolis, of course). Also name the ones who stayed as rejects even after their first pole (i.e. didn't unrejectify themselves in the same GP).

Jacques Villeneuve was the first name that came to my mind...

One correct. There's still a few more left.


Well Farina and Fangio will count I guess.

Can't forget Nico Hulkenberg :P
Andrea De Cesaris?
Tom Pryce?
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Re: trivia question....

Postby Wizzie » 09 Nov 2010, 20:01

Here's another simple one.

Benetton did a back to back test in the early 90s between Michael Schumacher and an unnamed driver. This driver managed to beat Schumacher over a full race simulation. Who was the driver?
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Re: trivia question....

Postby Jeroen Krautmeir » 09 Nov 2010, 21:02

Wizzie wrote:Here's another simple one.

Benetton did a back to back test in the early 90s between Michael Schumacher and an unnamed driver. This driver managed to beat Schumacher over a full race simulation. Who was the driver?

Alex Zanardi??? Allan McNish?? :?

Paul Belmondo? :P
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Re: trivia question....

Postby AndreaModa » 09 Nov 2010, 21:06

It wasn't Badoer was it?

Or maybe that's just me getting confused with Shinji's old fantasy career...
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Re: trivia question....

Postby Jeroen Krautmeir » 09 Nov 2010, 21:18

I have two questions.

1) In 2002, the Prost team were struggling for funds, and although they did eventually fold, there were many frantic attempts to rescue the team. Two big French companies in particular had been linked to Prost GP. Name them.

2) When HANS was first introduced in the 00s, 1 driver in particular was vehemently opposed to it. Who was this driver, and what was his excuse?
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Re: trivia question....

Postby Nuppiz » 09 Nov 2010, 21:42

Tealy wrote:Well Farina and Fangio will count I guess.

Can't forget Nico Hulkenberg :P
Andrea De Cesaris?
Tom Pryce?

Farina and Fangio do count, yes. Hülkenberg and de Cesaris are also correct. Pryce actually had three 6th places before his first (and only) pole position, so he had just barely escaped rejectdom before it. There's still a couple ones left...
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Re: trivia question....

Postby James1978 » 09 Nov 2010, 22:11

Fernando Alonso was still a reject (only one 7th place in Austrlia 2003) before he got his pole in Malaysia didn't he?

And was the Benetton test driver Paul Tracy?
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Re: trivia question....

Postby Enforcer » 09 Nov 2010, 22:24

Wizzie wrote:Here's another simple one.

Benetton did a back to back test in the early 90s between Michael Schumacher and an unnamed driver. This driver managed to beat Schumacher over a full race simulation. Who was the driver?


Going to go for Zanardi. I don't think McCarthy did enough testing for it to realistically have been him, and both Alboreto and Badoer when tested were nowhere near Schumacher.

2) When HANS was first introduced in the 00s, 1 driver in particular was vehemently opposed to it. Who was this driver, and what was his excuse?


IIRC, Dale Earnhart Sr. didn't want it, and called it a noose or something to that effect. And then was ironically killed by a basal skull fracture that the HANS would've prevented. But I'm guessing you're looking for an F1 driver as your answer.
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Re: trivia question....

Postby mario » 09 Nov 2010, 22:27

Jeroen Krautmeir wrote:I have two questions.

1) In 2002, the Prost team were struggling for funds, and although they did eventually fold, there were many frantic attempts to rescue the team. Two big French companies in particular had been linked to Prost GP. Name them.

2) When HANS was first introduced in the 00s, 1 driver in particular was vehemently opposed to it. Who was this driver, and what was his excuse?


1) Not sure of that yet.

2) Barrichello possibly? I think that the reason was because of a trapped nerve, which was causing (understandably) quite a lot of discomfort when wearing the device.
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Re: trivia question....

Postby Jeroen Krautmeir » 09 Nov 2010, 22:29

Enforcer wrote:
2) When HANS was first introduced in the 00s, 1 driver in particular was vehemently opposed to it. Who was this driver, and what was his excuse?


IIRC, Dale Earnhart Sr. didn't want it, and called it a noose or something to that effect. And then was ironically killed by a basal skull fracture that the HANS would've prevented. But I'm guessing you're looking for an F1 driver as your answer.

*sigh*, I keep forgetting to mention the 'F1 driver' part. :oops:
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Re: trivia question....

Postby Enforcer » 09 Nov 2010, 22:31

Jeroen Krautmeir wrote:
Enforcer wrote:
2) When HANS was first introduced in the 00s, 1 driver in particular was vehemently opposed to it. Who was this driver, and what was his excuse?


IIRC, Dale Earnhart Sr. didn't want it, and called it a noose or something to that effect. And then was ironically killed by a basal skull fracture that the HANS would've prevented. But I'm guessing you're looking for an F1 driver as your answer.

*sigh*, I keep forgetting to mention the 'F1 driver' part. :oops:


Nah, I kind of gathered that you wanted an F1 driver, but Earnhart was the only driver of any description I could think of, so I chucked it out there just in case.
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Re: trivia question....

Postby Nuppiz » 09 Nov 2010, 22:38

James1978 wrote:Fernando Alonso was still a reject (only one 7th place in Austrlia 2003) before he got his pole in Malaysia didn't he?

6 down, two to go.
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Re: trivia question....

Postby Shizuka » 10 Nov 2010, 02:23

Jeroen Krautmeir wrote:1) In 2002, the Prost team were struggling for funds, and although they did eventually fold, there were many frantic attempts to rescue the team. Two big French companies in particular had been linked to Prost GP. Name them.


One of them is Ligier Cars, I think.
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Re: trivia question....

Postby Pieman » 10 Nov 2010, 02:46

Nuppiz wrote:
James1978 wrote:Fernando Alonso was still a reject (only one 7th place in Austrlia 2003) before he got his pole in Malaysia didn't he?

6 down, two to go.


Mario Andretti, Italy 1968.
Carlos Reutemann, Argentina 1972.
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Re: trivia question....

Postby Nuppiz » 10 Nov 2010, 03:44

Pieman wrote:
Nuppiz wrote:
James1978 wrote:Fernando Alonso was still a reject (only one 7th place in Austrlia 2003) before he got his pole in Malaysia didn't he?

6 down, two to go.


Mario Andretti, Italy 1968.
Carlos Reutemann, Argentina 1972.

Correct! Now, which ones of the drivers mentioned stayed as rejects even after their first pole position start?
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Re: trivia question....

Postby Phoenix » 10 Nov 2010, 04:08

Nuppiz wrote:Correct! Now, which ones of the drivers mentioned stayed as rejects even after their first pole position start?

Both Andretti and Reutemann and de Cesaris.
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Re: trivia question....

Postby dr-baker » 10 Nov 2010, 06:08

Phoenix wrote:
Nuppiz wrote:Correct! Now, which ones of the drivers mentioned stayed as rejects even after their first pole position start?

Both Andretti and Reutemann and de Cesaris.

Hulkenberg too, strictly.
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Re: trivia question....

Postby Aerond » 10 Nov 2010, 06:49

I have a simpler question;

Which tracks were forced to introduce temporary chicanes in 1994 after the San Marino GP?
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Re: trivia question....

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Aerond wrote:I have a simpler question;

Which tracks were forced to introduce temporary chicanes in 1994 after the San Marino GP?


Estoril and Catalunya
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Re: trivia question....

Postby Benetton » 10 Nov 2010, 07:16

Wizzie wrote:Here's another simple one.

Benetton did a back to back test in the early 90s between Michael Schumacher and an unnamed driver. This driver managed to beat Schumacher over a full race simulation. Who was the driver?


Quite sure it was JJ Lehto in the 93-94 off season..
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Re: trivia question....

Postby WeirdKerr » 10 Nov 2010, 08:21

Shizuka wrote:
Aerond wrote:I have a simpler question;

Which tracks were forced to introduce temporary chicanes in 1994 after the San Marino GP?


Estoril and Catalunya


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Re: trivia question....

Postby Jeroen Krautmeir » 10 Nov 2010, 08:43

Shizuka wrote:
Jeroen Krautmeir wrote:1) In 2002, the Prost team were struggling for funds, and although they did eventually fold, there were many frantic attempts to rescue the team. Two big French companies in particular had been linked to Prost GP. Name them.


One of them is Ligier Cars, I think.

Unfortunately, no. ;)
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Re: trivia question....

Postby Wizzie » 10 Nov 2010, 14:40

The answer to my question about Benetton was infact none other than true legend Alex Zanardi.
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Re: trivia question....

Postby Peter » 10 Nov 2010, 15:03

How many GP's in history have had all the cars finish the race? Name them.
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Re: trivia question....

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Peter wrote:How many GP's in history have had all the cars finish the race? Name them.


1961 Dutch Grand Prix, 2005 United States Grand Prix and 2005 Italian Grand Prix if my memory serves me correct.
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Re: trivia question....

Postby Aerond » 11 Nov 2010, 20:42

Jeroen Krautmeir wrote:
Shizuka wrote:
Jeroen Krautmeir wrote:1) In 2002, the Prost team were struggling for funds, and although they did eventually fold, there were many frantic attempts to rescue the team. Two big French companies in particular had been linked to Prost GP. Name them.


One of them is Ligier Cars, I think.

Unfortunately, no. ;)


Maybe PSA Peugeot?
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Postby Wizzie » 11 Nov 2010, 20:51

I'm going to throw Bugatti in the ring as a somewhat educated guess.
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Re: trivia question....

Postby Bleu » 11 Nov 2010, 21:09

Shizuka wrote:
Aerond wrote:I have a simpler question;

Which tracks were forced to introduce temporary chicanes in 1994 after the San Marino GP?


Estoril and Catalunya


Estoril wasn't temporary, the corner they built is still there and used for MotoGP for example.
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Re: trivia question....

Postby tommykl » 11 Nov 2010, 21:25

Peter wrote:How many GP's in history have had all the cars finish the race? Name them.

1961 Dutch GP, 2005 Italian GP.
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Re: trivia question....

Postby tommykl » 11 Nov 2010, 21:29

Aerond wrote:
Jeroen Krautmeir wrote:
Shizuka wrote:One of them is Ligier Cars, I think.

Unfortunately, no. ;)


Maybe PSA Peugeot?

Maybe Citroen?
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