Things you miss about F1...

[dr-baker]

Dropped scores - is this the answer to today's super-reliability and risk-aversion? The 1950s had best 4 from 8 results, or best 5 from 9. So now, we would best 10 from 19 (pro rata). Although this might mean that Vettel would get a near-perfect score this year, it would not matter if you extract a bit more reliability from the car, because if you blow up, you simply reign it in a bit for the next race and know that it would go towards a dropped score. Equally, if you're Lewis Hamilton, you might not worry quite so much from a grid penalty, if it does not lead to one of your best 10 results of the year.

I bet someone can see a flaw in this somewhere...

[Klon]

Dropped scores - is this the answer to today's super-reliability and risk-aversion? The 1950s had best 4 from 8 results, or best 5 from 9. So now, we would best 10 from 19 (pro rata). Although this might mean that Vettel would get a near-perfect score this year, it would not matter if you extract a bit more reliability from the car, because if you blow up, you simply reign it in a bit for the next race and know that it would go towards a dropped score. Equally, if you're Lewis Hamilton, you might not worry quite so much from a grid penalty, if it does not lead to one of your best 10 results of the year.

I bet someone can see a flaw in this somewhere...

Heeere! Teams wouldn't go with a risky approach, they would try to seal the title as soon as they could with their super reliable cars and by not throwing points away. Especially in a year like this that would merely lead to everyone doing their stuff until Hungary and then we would see an artificial entertainment program. Although that might lead to most top teams using their test drivers which would be neat as well...
Forget my objections, let's do this.

[FullMetalJack]

Cars actually breaking down.
Collisions.
Cars being parked at the side of the road.
Wet races being started under the normal procedure.
Williams being a frontrunning team.
Kimi Raikkonen.
Independent teams (Williams is the only one left).
James Hunt's commentary (although Brundle will always be a legend).

[midgrid]

Parmalat as a sponsor.

the Parmalat that robbed money from thousands of italians?

The very same, but I thought it looked good on an F1 car.

I thought of another one - teams using different-coloured bodywork to distinguish their drivers. Watching qualifying for the 1997 Monaco Grand Prix, we have: Prost - Panis (blue cockpit surround), Nakano (yellow cockpit surround); Ferrari - Irvine (yellow flashes on front wing); Tyrrell - Salo (orange X-wings), Verstappen (yellow X-wings), and no doubt other examples as well. Now it's boringly homogenised with the red/yellow T-cams.

[DOSBoot]

When someone could have a number on their car without ranking. Tyrrell used 3, and 4. Williams used 5, and 6. Brabham used 7, and 8. Lotus used 11, and 12. Ligier used 25, and 26. Ferrari used 27, and 28. Why doesn't F1 allow that anymore?

[FullMetalJack]

When someone could have a number on their car without ranking. Tyrrell used 3, and 4. Williams used 5, and 6. Brabham used 7, and 8. Lotus used 11, and 12. Ligier used 25, and 26. Ferrari used 27, and 28. Why doesn't F1 allow that anymore?

That would work IMO:

Red Bull
1. S Vettel
2. M Webber

Mercedes
3. M Schumacher
4. N Rosberg

Williams
5. R Barrichello
6. P Maldonado

McLaren
7. L Hamilton
8. J Button

Lotus
11. H Kovalainen
12. J Trulli

Force India
14. R Barrichello
15. P Di Resta

Renault
19. N Heidfeld
20. V Petrov

Hispania
21. D Ricciardo
22. V Liuzzi

Toro Rosso
23. S Buemi
24. J Alguersuari

Ferrari
27. F Alonso
28. F Massa

Sauber
29. K Kobayashi
30. S Perez

Virgin
31. T Glock
32. J D'Ambrosio

HRT get 21 and 22 because they used to be supplied by Dallara who had 21 and 22
Virgin use 31 and 32 which Simtek used in 1994

[mario]

When someone could have a number on their car without ranking. Tyrrell used 3, and 4. Williams used 5, and 6. Brabham used 7, and 8. Lotus used 11, and 12. Ligier used 25, and 26. Ferrari used 27, and 28. Why doesn't F1 allow that anymore?

Was it not the case, though, that even in those days some of the teams would use different numbers? What numbers would McLaren use, for example - they've had 5 and 6, 7 and 8 and 11 and 12 on their cars at various points in their history. Brabham, too, originally had No. 5 and 6 when McLaren had 7 and 8, and only switched to those numbers later.

Also, Ferrari, although perhaps synonymous with 27 and 28 these days, have a strong link with 11 and 12 (Lauda bore No. 12 when he won his first title with Ferrari, for example) - I don't think that it was until the 1980's that Ferrari were allocated No. 27 and 28, as originally No. 27 was allocated to Ligier (they had 26 and 27), and for a while Williams also ran under the numbers of 27 and 28.

Besides, under that system, what numbers should Renault use? The historic numbers that Renault had were 15 and 16, but equally you could say that they should use No. 19 and 20 from the Benetton era (as the current team was formed from a direct buyout of Benetton), which in turn came from Toleman.

[Wizzie]

Parmalat as a sponsor.

the Parmalat that robbed money from thousands of italians?

The very same, but I thought it looked good on an F1 car.

I thought of another one - teams using different-coloured bodywork to distinguish their drivers. Watching qualifying for the 1997 Monaco Grand Prix, we have: Prost - Panis (blue cockpit surround), Nakano (yellow cockpit surround); Ferrari - Irvine (yellow flashes on front wing); Tyrrell - Salo (orange X-wings), Verstappen (yellow X-wings), and no doubt other examples as well. Now it's boringly homogenised with the red/yellow T-cams.

Don't forget all the years where Sauber ran red and yellow wing mirrors to distinguish the drivers.

[James1978]

I'd personally prefer Renault to have 15 and 16, and Force India to have 32 and 33, but then where would that leave Virgin?

Ligier never had #27 either, when they only had one car it was #26, then added #25 in 1979 when they started to run a 2nd car.

I'd say the numbers McLaren were most synonymous with when they didn't have 1 and 2, were actually 7 and 8.

[mario]

I'd personally prefer Renault to have 15 and 16, and Force India to have 32 and 33, but then where would that leave Virgin?

Ligier never had #27 either, when they only had one car it was #26, then added #25 in 1979 when they started to run a 2nd car.

I'd say the numbers McLaren were most synonymous with when they didn't have 1 and 2, were actually 7 and 8.

Jarier raced for Ligier on a one off basis in 1977 at the Japanese Grand Prix (his race lasted for just three laps before his engine failed), and for that race he was allocated No. 27:


You're right, though, that from 1979 onwards, when they raced two cars on a regular basis, that Ligier were then allocated 25 and 26.

As for Virgin Racing, well, on principal I guess that they'd have to be allocated new numbers as they do not have any link with a historic team, and the same case could be made for HRT too.

[RainierSassetti]

Jarier raced for Ligier on a one off basis in 1977 at the Japanese Grand Prix (his race lasted for just three laps before his engine failed), and for that race he was allocated No. 27:


You're right, though, that from 1979 onwards, when they raced two cars on a regular basis, that Ligier were then allocated 25 and 26.

As for Virgin Racing, well, on principal I guess that they'd have to be allocated new numbers as they do not have any link with a historic team, and the same case could be made for HRT too.

I endorse team numbers more than one driver-one number. Less confusion about the numbers that change every year would be awesome, kinda like the TV numbers on sport jerseys. I dont wanna spend 10 minutes wondering "Dude, what is that car number?".

[Vepe]

To continue this car number system thingy, I did this:

1996

Code: Select all

Ferrari: 1,2
Tyrell: 3,4
Williams: 5,6
McLaren: 7,8
Footwork: 9,10
Jordan: 14,15
Forti: 21,22
Minardi: 23,24
Ligier: 25,26
Benetton: 27,28
Sauber: 29,30


1997

Code: Select all

Arrows: 1,2
Tyrell: 3,4
Williams: 5,6
McLaren: 7,8
Ferrari: 9,10
Jordan: 14,15
Minardi: 16,17
Prost: 18,19
Benetton: 20,21
Sauber: 22,23
Stewart: 25,26
Lola: 27,28


1998

Code: Select all

Williams: 1,2
Tyrell: 3,4
Arrows: 5,6
McLaren: 7,8
Ferrari: 9,10
Jordan: 11,12
Minardi: 14,15
Prost: 18,19
Benetton: 20,21
Sauber: 22,23
Stewart: 25,26


1999

Code: Select all

McLaren: 1,2
BAR: 3,4
Arrows: 5,6
Williams: 7,8
Ferrari: 9,10
Jordan: 11,12
Minardi: 14,15
Prost: 18,19
Benetton: 20,21
Sauber: 22,23
Stewart: 25,26


2000

Code: Select all

McLaren: 1,2
BAR: 3,4
Arrows: 5,6
Williams: 7,8
Ferrari: 9,10
Jordan: 11,12
Minardi: 14,15
Prost: 18,19
Benetton: 20,21
Sauber: 22,23
Jaguar: 25,26


2001

Code: Select all

Ferrari: 1,2
BAR: 3,4
Arrows: 5,6
Williams: 7,8
McLaren: 9,10
Jordan: 11,12
Minardi: 14,5
Prost: 18,19
Benetton: 20,21
Sauber: 22,23
Jaguar: 25,26


2002

Code: Select all

Ferrari: 1,2
BAR: 3,4
Arrows: 5,6
Williams: 7,8
McLaren: 9,10
Jordan: 11,12
Minardi: 14,15
Renault: 20,21
Sauber: 22,23
Jaguar: 25,26
Toyota: 27,28


2003

Code: Select all

Ferrari: 1,2
BAR: 3,4
Williams: 7,8
McLaren: 9,10
Jordan: 11,12
Minardi: 14,15
Renault: 20,21
Sauber: 22,23
Jaguar: 25,26
Toyota: 27,28


2004

Code: Select all

Ferrari: 1,2
BAR: 3,4
Williams: 5,6
McLaren: 7,8
Jordan: 9,10
Minardi: 11,12
Renault: 14,15
Sauber: 16,17
Jaguar: 18,19
Toyota: 20,21


2005

Code: Select all

Ferrari: 1,2
BAR: 3,4
Williams: 5,6
McLaren: 7,8
Jordan: 9,10
Minardi: 11,12
Renault: 14,15
Sauber: 16,17
Red Bull: 18,19
Toyota: 20,21


2006

Code: Select all

Renault: 1,2
Honda: 3,4
Williams: 5,6
McLaren: 7,8
Midland: 9,10
Toro Rosso: 11,12
Ferrari: 14,15
BMW Sauber: 16,17
Red Bull: 18,19
Toyota: 20,21
Super Aguri: 22,23


2007

Code: Select all

McLaren: 1,2
Honda: 3,4
Williams: 5,6
Renault: 7,8
Spyker: 9,10
Toro Rosso: 11,12
Ferrari: 14,15
BMW Sauber: 16,17
Red Bull: 18,19
Toyota: 20,21
Super Aguri: 22,23


2008

Code: Select all

Ferrari: 1,2
Honda: 3,4
Williams: 5,6
Renault: 7,8
Force India: 9,10
Toro Rosso: 11,12
McLaren: 14,15
BMW Sauber: 16,17
Red Bull: 18,19
Toyota: 20,21
Super Aguri: 22,23


2009

Code: Select all

McLaren: 1,2
Brawn: 3,4
Williams: 5,6
Renault: 7,8
Force India: 9,10
Toro Rosso: 11,12
Ferrari: 14,15
BMW Sauber: 16,17
Red Bull: 18,19
Toyota: 20,21


2010

Code: Select all

McLaren: 1,2
Mercedes: 3,4
Williams: 5,6
Renault: 7,8
Force India: 9,10
Toro Rosso: 11,12
Ferrari: 14,15
BMW Sauber: 16,17
Red Bull: 18,19
HRT: 20,21
Lotus: 22,23
Virgin: 25,26


2011

Code: Select all

Red Bull: 1,2
Mercedes: 3,4
Williams: 5,6
Renault: 7,8
Force India: 9,10
Toro Rosso: 11,12
Ferrari: 14,15
Sauber: 16,17
McLaren: 18,19
HRT: 20,21
Lotus: 22,23
Virgin: 25,26


[James1978]

Jarier raced for Ligier on a one off basis in 1977 at the Japanese Grand Prix (his race lasted for just three laps before his engine failed), and for that race he was allocated No. 27:


You're right, though, that from 1979 onwards, when they raced two cars on a regular basis, that Ligier were then allocated 25 and 26.

As for Virgin Racing, well, on principal I guess that they'd have to be allocated new numbers as they do not have any link with a historic team, and the same case could be made for HRT too.

I endorse team numbers more than one driver-one number. Less confusion about the numbers that change every year would be awesome, kinda like the TV numbers on sport jerseys. I dont wanna spend 10 minutes wondering "Dude, what is that car number?".

The other thing about that is on some cars you can't even see the numbers - I mean where are the numbers on this year's Force India cars? Same goes for the JPM/Ralf era Williamses, I'm sure there are others too.

[FullMetalJack]

The other thing about that is on some cars you can't even see the numbers - I mean where are the numbers on this year's Force India cars? Same goes for the JPM/Ralf era Williamses, I'm sure there are others too.

I think on the front wing on the Walrus car. Thanks for giving me another thing I miss.

The Williams BMW combination.

[Phoenix]

Dropped scores - is this the answer to today's super-reliability and risk-aversion? The 1950s had best 4 from 8 results, or best 5 from 9. So now, we would best 10 from 19 (pro rata). Although this might mean that Vettel would get a near-perfect score this year, it would not matter if you extract a bit more reliability from the car, because if you blow up, you simply reign it in a bit for the next race and know that it would go towards a dropped score. Equally, if you're Lewis Hamilton, you might not worry quite so much from a grid penalty, if it does not lead to one of your best 10 results of the year.

I bet someone can see a flaw in this somewhere...

Heeere! Teams wouldn't go with a risky approach, they would try to seal the title as soon as they could with their super reliable cars and by not throwing points away. Especially in a year like this that would merely lead to everyone doing their stuff until Hungary and then we would see an artificial entertainment program. Although that might lead to most top teams using their test drivers which would be neat as well...
Forget my objections, let's do this.

Oh, your issue is simple to solve - let's do like in 1979 and 1980. If the season is going to have 20 races, we split the season in two halves, and the 7 best results from each half count for the championship. You know what, if there was a historical moment for F1 to have such scoring system, this is certainly now, not 20 or more years ago when dropped results were actually a rare occurence.

[the Masked Lapwing]

Rebadged engines. It gave the illusion of many suppliers.

[Phoenix]

Rebadged engines. It gave the illusion of many suppliers.

Playlife FTW.

[stupot94]

Rebadged engines. It gave the illusion of many suppliers.

Playlife FTW.

ACER!!!!

[stupot94]

Well I miss

Minardi
Drivers carrying flags when they win. (So many great images of this)
Murray Walker
Tyre Wars
Bahrain not being on the calender
Magny Cours
Williams domination
Taki Inoue making every weekend exciting
Takuma Sato
Any Japanese driver

[Sunshine_Baby_[IT]]

The sparks that came out of back of the cars during the 1980's, and early 1990's. Sure, you still see it sometimes in Singapore, but it's nowhere near where it used to be.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Od1UX0JKV4

Sparks are one of the things I miss the most about F1...

It could seem a stupid thing, but I miss McLaren's Marlboro livery and number 27 on Ferrari too.

[FullMetalJack]

A1 Ring

[eurobrun]

The sparks that came out of back of the cars during the 1980's, and early 1990's. Sure, you still see it sometimes in Singapore, but it's nowhere near where it used to be.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Od1UX0JKV4

Sparks are one of the things I miss the most about F1...

It could seem a stupid thing, but I miss McLaren's Marlboro livery and number 27 on Ferrari too.

I was too young to see these live but judging by the old races i've seen on youtube I agree with you

[AdrianSutil]

Adrian Sutil.

Seriously, I'm not expecting him to return for a year or two if he's lucky

[Sunshine_Baby_[IT]]

I miss Rubens Barrichello.
And Alex Zanardi too.