The Formula 1 Rejects Teams Association (F1RTA) Thread

[Phoenix]

I join the people who's against point number one raised by SuperAguri, even more so since I would be one of the team owners affected. No one, I mean no one, will run my teams. As for point number 2, do what you want, really, if for some reason I have to be AWOL from the forums I'll leave Wizzie to take care of my business as an exception, seeing he's been somewhat critical of my driver signings

[Wizzie]

As for point number 2, do what you want, really, if for some reason I have to be AWOL from the forums I'll leave Wizzie to take care of my business as an exception, seeing he's been somewhat critical of my driver signings

With some of the stuff you've done recently, Melrose himself is starting to believe that maybe you can run an F1RWRS team properly afterall.

[eurobrun]

As for point number 2, do what you want, really, if for some reason I have to be AWOL from the forums I'll leave Wizzie to take care of my business as an exception, seeing he's been somewhat critical of my driver signings

With some of the stuff you've done recently, Melrose himself is starting to believe that maybe you can run an F1RWRS team properly afterall.

I still have my doubts, but I probably have no right to say anthing as my team will probably end up being stuck in pre qualifying.

[Wizzie]

As for point number 2, do what you want, really, if for some reason I have to be AWOL from the forums I'll leave Wizzie to take care of my business as an exception, seeing he's been somewhat critical of my driver signings

With some of the stuff you've done recently, Melrose himself is starting to believe that maybe you can run an F1RWRS team properly afterall.

I still have my doubts, but I probably have no right to say anthing as my team will probably end up being stuck in pre qualifying.

Nah, with Uncle Melrose's help, you should be fine.

[Klon]

Nah, with Uncle Melrose's help, you should be fine.

Pah. When taking Uncle Melrose's help you will have trouble beating Tropico and Shonan DMS.

[the Masked Lapwing]

With some of the stuff you've done recently, Melrose himself is starting to believe that maybe you can run an F1RWRS team properly afterall.

I still have my doubts, but I probably have no right to say anthing as my team will probably end up being stuck in pre qualifying.

Nah, with Uncle Melrose's help, you should be fine.

Emphasis on "should"

[Wizzie]

I still have my doubts, but I probably have no right to say anthing as my team will probably end up being stuck in pre qualifying.

Nah, with Uncle Melrose's help, you should be fine.

Emphasis on "should"

If you want a career beyond race two of next year, I suggest that you shut it.

[JeremyMcClean]

Do what you want with Point A. I don't like it personally, since it will basically leave a two-tier series.

Point B should be taken like Mecha's proposal of sending a warning email, but the grace period should be three races, not five.

[Stramala]

Scuderia Altialia would like to request a Reject License on behalf of Bastiaan van Nieuwenhuijzen. While he does not meet any of the current criteria, we are applying nonetheless with the reason of exceptional circumstances.

Technical data shows that van Nieuwenhuijzen's car was subject to technical faults for most of the races in the car, meaning his machinery was by default slower than those of any other team, a huge hinderance given the fact F2RWRS is a single make series. Once this technical flaw had been identified and corrected near the end of the season, he went from the back end of the grid to the front. He was a Top 5 qualifier, scored points and would have finished on the podium at Indy had his car not given up only a handful of laps from the end. If he had raced the entire season like the rest of the field with equal machinery, he would certainly be a Top 10 contender.

[Wizzie]

Scuderia Altialia would like to request a Reject License on behalf of Bastiaan van Nieuwenhuijzen. While he does not meet any of the current criteria, we are applying nonetheless with the reason of exceptional circumstances.

Technical data shows that van Nieuwenhuijzen's car was subject to technical faults for most of the races in the car, meaning his machinery was by default slower than those of any other team, a huge hinderance given the fact F2RWRS is a single make series. Once this technical flaw had been identified and corrected near the end of the season, he went from the back end of the grid to the front. He was a Top 5 qualifier, scored points and would have finished on the podium at Indy had his car not given up only a handful of laps from the end. If he had raced the entire season like the rest of the field with equal machinery, he would certainly be a Top 10 contender.

Actually, he was never going to get a podium at Indy in a month of Sundays as from memory, he was already a lap down and behind Marchesi by that point. And it wasn't a mechanical failure. He simply threw it into the turn 3 wall

[JeremyMcClean]

Scuderia Altialia would like to request a Reject License on behalf of Bastiaan van Nieuwenhuijzen. While he does not meet any of the current criteria, we are applying nonetheless with the reason of exceptional circumstances.

Technical data shows that van Nieuwenhuijzen's car was subject to technical faults for most of the races in the car, meaning his machinery was by default slower than those of any other team, a huge hinderance given the fact F2RWRS is a single make series. Once this technical flaw had been identified and corrected near the end of the season, he went from the back end of the grid to the front. He was a Top 5 qualifier, scored points and would have finished on the podium at Indy had his car not given up only a handful of laps from the end. If he had raced the entire season like the rest of the field with equal machinery, he would certainly be a Top 10 contender.

Actually, he was never going to get a podium at Indy in a month of Sundays as from memory, he was already a lap down and behind Marchesi by that point. And it wasn't a mechanical failure. He simply threw it into the turn 3 wall

And on that note, I'm going to say no.

Let it be reminded that the only possible way anyone can get a special licence is to nearly qualify for a regular licence but get denied by a technical fault or for someone to be clumsy while passing them / being lapped. For example, if Driver A needed five points to get a licence, was on track for six but got an engine failure on the last lap, then I would consider giving him a special licence.
In van Newenizen's case (or however you spell it), he simply threw the car into the wall. Even if he did finish third, he wouldn't have been close to finishing near the Top 10 in the standings anyways.

[Stramala]

Scuderia Altialia would like to request a Reject License on behalf of Bastiaan van Nieuwenhuijzen. While he does not meet any of the current criteria, we are applying nonetheless with the reason of exceptional circumstances.

Technical data shows that van Nieuwenhuijzen's car was subject to technical faults for most of the races in the car, meaning his machinery was by default slower than those of any other team, a huge hinderance given the fact F2RWRS is a single make series. Once this technical flaw had been identified and corrected near the end of the season, he went from the back end of the grid to the front. He was a Top 5 qualifier, scored points and would have finished on the podium at Indy had his car not given up only a handful of laps from the end. If he had raced the entire season like the rest of the field with equal machinery, he would certainly be a Top 10 contender.

Actually, he was never going to get a podium at Indy in a month of Sundays as from memory, he was already a lap down and behind Marchesi by that point. And it wasn't a mechanical failure. He simply threw it into the turn 3 wall

So which one of my drivers had a mechanical failure near the end of that race while battling for 3rd? I swear I remember someone doing that and I thought it was van Nieuwenhuijzen. Might want to check that again...

[AndreaModa]

On the proposals from SuperAguri - Point A, like many others here, I disagree on. I think those members with teams in all three series are probably the ones that contribute the most, and obviously as one of those members I disagree on it generally anyway.

Point B I feel is valid. It's an issue that's been raised numerous times, but I also agree with Aerond, that a check on inactivity should only take place during the off-season to see if the member is still interested, and if not, then someone takes over that slot. Of course we could also take into account mitigating circumstances, for example if a driver from a team is banned or injured for a number of races and requires a replacement, an inactive member won't be able to put in a substitue so a polite reminder of the series and the requirement of the member's attention would be suitable I think. I also think therefore that we should draft up an email template for these situations, to mail out to inactive members, so that everything is polite and consistent. Whilst I trust FMecha and his emails to members, I'd prefer if everything was above board so everyone knew where we all stand.

[pasta_maldonado]

Point B I feel is valid. It's an issue that's been raised numerous times, but I also agree with Aerond, that a check on inactivity should only take place during the off-season to see if the member is still interested, and if not, then someone takes over that slot. Of course we could also take into account mitigating circumstances, for example if a driver from a team is banned or injured for a number of races and requires a replacement, an inactive member won't be able to put in a substitue so a polite reminder of the series and the requirement of the member's attention would be suitable I think. I also think therefore that we should draft up an email template for these situations, to mail out to inactive members, so that everything is polite and consistent. Whilst I trust FMecha and his emails to members, I'd prefer if everything was above board so everyone knew where we all stand.

About point B and the issue raised about The_Lukas, if you ask him if he is interested at the end of the season, naturally he will say yes, as it is his own team. Yet, he won't show up for the rest of the season. This could also apply to other members in the present/future

[AndreaModa]

Point B I feel is valid. It's an issue that's been raised numerous times, but I also agree with Aerond, that a check on inactivity should only take place during the off-season to see if the member is still interested, and if not, then someone takes over that slot. Of course we could also take into account mitigating circumstances, for example if a driver from a team is banned or injured for a number of races and requires a replacement, an inactive member won't be able to put in a substitue so a polite reminder of the series and the requirement of the member's attention would be suitable I think. I also think therefore that we should draft up an email template for these situations, to mail out to inactive members, so that everything is polite and consistent. Whilst I trust FMecha and his emails to members, I'd prefer if everything was above board so everyone knew where we all stand.

About point B and the issue raised about The_Lukas, if you ask him if he is interested at the end of the season, naturally he will say yes, as it is his own team. Yet, he won't show up for the rest of the season. This could also apply to other members in the present/future

But you've got to bear in mind that he's had nigh on nothing to write about since the season started, in a similar vein to Shizuka with his Shonan team. We can't say that he isn't regularly viewing the thread, just like Shizuka has pointed out - he checks regularly but has nothing really to add so it 'appears' as if his interest in it is low, when in reality its no less than anyone else on here. I'm willing to give people like that the benefit of the doubt, and I think everyone should take a step back before mentioning any more members because it's quite unfair and nasty, especially when they could have real-world commitments that could be particularly unpleasant. It's a delicate issue, and I think a polite email during the off-season each year is enough in my opinion.

[Wizzie]

Scuderia Altialia would like to request a Reject License on behalf of Bastiaan van Nieuwenhuijzen. While he does not meet any of the current criteria, we are applying nonetheless with the reason of exceptional circumstances.

Technical data shows that van Nieuwenhuijzen's car was subject to technical faults for most of the races in the car, meaning his machinery was by default slower than those of any other team, a huge hinderance given the fact F2RWRS is a single make series. Once this technical flaw had been identified and corrected near the end of the season, he went from the back end of the grid to the front. He was a Top 5 qualifier, scored points and would have finished on the podium at Indy had his car not given up only a handful of laps from the end. If he had raced the entire season like the rest of the field with equal machinery, he would certainly be a Top 10 contender.

Actually, he was never going to get a podium at Indy in a month of Sundays as from memory, he was already a lap down and behind Marchesi by that point. And it wasn't a mechanical failure. He simply threw it into the turn 3 wall

So which one of my drivers had a mechanical failure near the end of that race while battling for 3rd? I swear I remember someone doing that and I thought it was van Nieuwenhuijzen. Might want to check that again...

The only one of your drivers who was battling for a podium that day was Bizzarri. He finished 2nd when Vantini decided throwing it into the wall was a good idea

You may have been thinking about Molinaro whose engine blew up whilst running ahead of Katayama.

[tommykl]

Point B I feel is valid. It's an issue that's been raised numerous times, but I also agree with Aerond, that a check on inactivity should only take place during the off-season to see if the member is still interested, and if not, then someone takes over that slot. Of course we could also take into account mitigating circumstances, for example if a driver from a team is banned or injured for a number of races and requires a replacement, an inactive member won't be able to put in a substitue so a polite reminder of the series and the requirement of the member's attention would be suitable I think. I also think therefore that we should draft up an email template for these situations, to mail out to inactive members, so that everything is polite and consistent. Whilst I trust FMecha and his emails to members, I'd prefer if everything was above board so everyone knew where we all stand.

About point B and the issue raised about The_Lukas, if you ask him if he is interested at the end of the season, naturally he will say yes, as it is his own team. Yet, he won't show up for the rest of the season. This could also apply to other members in the present/future

But you've got to bear in mind that he's had nigh on nothing to write about since the season started, in a similar vein to Shizuka with his Shonan team. We can't say that he isn't regularly viewing the thread, just like Shizuka has pointed out - he checks regularly but has nothing really to add so it 'appears' as if his interest in it is low, when in reality its no less than anyone else on here. I'm willing to give people like that the benefit of the doubt, and I think everyone should take a step back before mentioning any more members because it's quite unfair and nasty, especially when they could have real-world commitments that could be particularly unpleasant. It's a delicate issue, and I think a polite email during the off-season each year is enough in my opinion.

Exactly. If the rule gets implemented, all we'll see is about five users, every three races, coming back and saying, as you said for most races in 2011, "Bugger, another DNPQ".

[Shizuka]

Bugger, another DNPQ.



Anyway... this should be tried out as a test for the first races in the next seasons. If there actually is no activity from the user (which means not being online too) for the first five races (which will take at least... 6 weeks, or more), then we should talk about it again.

I could have posted "Bugger, another DNPQ" after every PreQ round, but 1) I don't want to spam this just to make my post count bigger and 2) This would not be a helpful contribution.

[AndreaModa]

Bugger, another DNPQ.



Anyway... this should be tried out as a test for the first races in the next seasons. If there actually is no activity from the user (which means not being online too) for the first five races (which will take at least... 6 weeks, or more), then we should talk about it again.

I could have posted "Bugger, another DNPQ" after every PreQ round, but 1) I don't want to spam this just to make my post count bigger and 2) This would not be a helpful contribution.

Exactly! So what are they supposed to do? Create elaborate fictional stories about events that didn't take place or what? I think we're expecting too much of people here, if the team is competitive and finishing races and being notable, etc, then there's grounds for this sort of action if we're seeing no activity from the member in control of that team. But otherwise I think we're fine as we are to be honest, with the addition of a polite email at the end of each season providing an update and reminder of the member's participation in the series.

[Aerond]

By the way, in the future I'd like to bring down the number of teams to 16 or 17; I don't see very healthy for the series having 7 teams out of the race each weekend to be honest.
I'd like to discuss how we should bring down the number of teams. I think the best solution to keep people in the waiting list getting their teams would be to only hand one entry out of every two which become available, starting from next season. Any ideas?

[eurobrun]

By the way, in the future I'd like to bring down the number of teams to 16 or 17; I don't see very healthy for the series having 7 teams out of the race each weekend to be honest.
I'd like to discuss how we should bring down the number of teams. I think the best solution to keep people in the waiting list getting their teams would be to only hand one entry out of every two which become available, starting from next season. Any ideas?

Now that I have a F1RWRS team I think this is a good idea.

[Klon]

Well, the problem is it will takes ages now to get two teams out so that would make the waiting list even longer. We are pretty much set and unlike for 2013, 2014 or 2015, teams dropping out now will be a rare occurrence so while I personally wouldn't mind teams being reduced (although I fail to agree with your reasoning - if you can't make it through PQ, tough luck buddy) I don't think it would be fair on incoming members. Furthermore, shouldn't that problem of cars being out of a race be solved once that mysterious switch to rFactor 2 has been done?

As far as rules on activity goes: I agree with those objections being raised about not posting, because sometimes you can't say anything but "Bugger, another DNPQ." which is worth- and useless. The only solution to really watch out whether somebody cares would be, in my opinion, to watch the Who's Online list for the users in the game. Anyone willing to play stalker?

As far as team limits go: help yourself, I don't care either way since I only have two teams and won't have more.

[Wizzie]

By the way, in the future I'd like to bring down the number of teams to 16 or 17; I don't see very healthy for the series having 7 teams out of the race each weekend to be honest.
I'd like to discuss how we should bring down the number of teams. I think the best solution to keep people in the waiting list getting their teams would be to only hand one entry out of every two which become available, starting from next season. Any ideas?

With the new equalisation measures which means that more teams should have a chance of qualifying, I'd say see how the races pan out next year. Then we'll decide whether we should reduce the entry list or not.

There's also the issue of shutting out members that want to participate in the series from participating but that's an entirely different debate altogether.

The only solution to really watch out whether somebody cares would be, in my opinion, to watch the Who's Online list for the users in the game. Anyone willing to play stalker?

I have no idea why but I already spend a not-inconsiderable amount of time on the Who's Online page anyway

[AndreaModa]

By the way, in the future I'd like to bring down the number of teams to 16 or 17; I don't see very healthy for the series having 7 teams out of the race each weekend to be honest.
I'd like to discuss how we should bring down the number of teams. I think the best solution to keep people in the waiting list getting their teams would be to only hand one entry out of every two which become available, starting from next season. Any ideas?

With the new equalisation measures which means that more teams should have a chance of qualifying, I'd say see how the races pan out next year. Then we'll decide whether we should reduce the entry list or not.

I agree. I'd wait and see how competitive the field is next year, I'd imagine it will be a fair bit closer this year and prequalifying will be more varied.

[Nuppiz]

But you've got to bear in mind that he's had nigh on nothing to write about since the season started, in a similar vein to Shizuka with his Shonan team. We can't say that he isn't regularly viewing the thread, just like Shizuka has pointed out - he checks regularly but has nothing really to add so it 'appears' as if his interest in it is low, when in reality its no less than anyone else on here. I'm willing to give people like that the benefit of the doubt, and I think everyone should take a step back before mentioning any more members because it's quite unfair and nasty, especially when they could have real-world commitments that could be particularly unpleasant. It's a delicate issue, and I think a polite email during the off-season each year is enough in my opinion.

I already pointed out the difficulties his relative inactivity brought about in RoLFS. His cars were the slowest on the grid (most of their points came from sprint races because the AI is too stupid to actually get past much slower cars), causing a lot of headache to other team managers when the Urals blocked their cars, he had much more money than what was needed to upgrade the cars to a moderate level, and I constantly reminded all the team managers to use their credits in the topic. Yet he only replied after I threatened to kick him out to make room for MRT.

So yes, while he might not have had a lot to say in F1RWRS, he was inactive in other series as well. In fact, he seems to sign up for almost every series we have here, yet rarely actually commits (actively) for the whole season.

Now this is going a bit too personal, so let's stop using The Lukas as a bad example. My suggestion for all virtual series would be an email sent either when A) there's something crucial to decide, such as drivers, or B) the inactivity period exceeds six real-life weeks or a set amount of races determined by the series' organizer. Members should be encouraged to tell if there may be some trouble ahead which limits their activity - no personal details need to be told, just "hey guys, I'm going to be too busy and can't take part for X weeks, Member B can do the decisions for me while I'm away". And if something happens so suddenly that the member in question can't even notify us before he/she is considered inactive, there should be some way of reclaiming your team even after the "grace period" is over.

Also, I know that the team situation in the F1RWRS is quite bad at the moment - it's even worse than the 1989 Formula One season. And I agree that the maximum number of teams should be brought down a bit. However, that will leave some users out from the pinnacle of Reject racing, despite having a lot of motivation to be part of it. And the only solution I can come up with is directing non F1RWRS-users to the lower categories (kicking existing F1RWRS team owners out from there, if necessary) or many of the alternative series that also take place on the forums. RoLFS was, for a short while, meant to be competing with F1RWRS before I decided to make it into a feeder category instead. What I'm trying to say here is that if no other solutions are available, someone could start a rival series (for example, the BMW F1 car in Live for Speed could be used, hint hint!) with current F1RWRS team owners being banned from entering there.

Finally, I've noticed that many a driver contract has been refused in the F1RWRS thread simply because the user who owns the driver is already at his/her maximum quota of active RWRS drivers. Is the limit too low, or should the users just calm down and not create so many drivers?

[Stramala]

Finally, I've noticed that many a driver contract has been refused in the F1RWRS thread simply because the user who owns the driver is already at his/her maximum quota of active RWRS drivers. Is the limit too low, or should the users just calm down and not create so many drivers?

I just decided to count up how many drivers I own. It would appear I have FOURTEEN! And that was after I sacked three at the end of this season!!

In case you don't believe me, here is a full list;

Gianluigi Pazzini [F2RWRS]
Bastiaan van Nieuwenhuijzen [F2RWRS]
Alessandro Lucarelli [F3RWRS]
Lorenzo Crescenzi [F3RWRS]
Carsten Jancker [F3RWRS]
Olafur Ragnar Hannesson [RoLFS]
Nobushige Fukuda [RoLFS]
Marcel Agyemang-Badu [RoLFS]
Martin McGovern [RoLFS]
Diego Mauricio Batistuta [F1RCIS]
Salvatore Miccoli [F1RCIS]
Andraž Velikonja [REECCS]
Krzysztof Holowczyc [REECCS]
Tõnu Pykälistö [TBA]

[Warren Hughes]

Finally, I've noticed that many a driver contract has been refused in the F1RWRS thread simply because the user who owns the driver is already at his/her maximum quota of active RWRS drivers. Is the limit too low, or should the users just calm down and not create so many drivers?

I just decided to count up how many drivers I own. It would appear I have FOURTEEN! And that was after I sacked three at the end of this season!!

Case closed.

[Klon]

Finally, I've noticed that many a driver contract has been refused in the F1RWRS thread simply because the user who owns the driver is already at his/her maximum quota of active RWRS drivers. Is the limit too low, or should the users just calm down and not create so many drivers?

I just decided to count up how many drivers I own. It would appear I have FOURTEEN! And that was after I sacked three at the end of this season!!

Case closed.

With all due respect, weren't you the one complaining about driver selection not being large enough for F1RWRS?

[Warren Hughes]

With all due respect, weren't you the one complaining about driver selection not being large enough for F1RWRS?

Obviously different cases. That debate was about users who wanted to enter/return to F1RWRS not being allowed to because of superlicense criteria, this is about a small, select group of users, of whom Kostas is the worst offender, saturating the universe with their drivers.

[Stramala]

With all due respect, weren't you the one complaining about driver selection not being large enough for F1RWRS?

Obviously different cases. That debate was about users who wanted to enter/return to F1RWRS not being allowed to because of superlicense criteria, this is about a small, select group of users, of whom Kostas is the worst offender, saturating the universe with their drivers.

Of which only one has a Reject License, so I don't see your problem, and only 9 are within or close to the the RWRS system. It also didn't help that Pointrox went ahead and signed Carsten Jancker without asking me first, which put me over the driver limit after I'd already set my 2015 plans in stone, however rescinding control of David Koczo is something I had hoped to do and achieved soon after. I only have so many drivers because I compete in so many parallel series, I can't run three guys in everything and expect to keep it realistic.

[Warren Hughes]

With all due respect, weren't you the one complaining about driver selection not being large enough for F1RWRS?

Obviously different cases. That debate was about users who wanted to enter/return to F1RWRS not being allowed to because of superlicense criteria, this is about a small, select group of users, of whom Kostas is the worst offender, saturating the universe with their drivers.

Of which only one has a Reject License, so I don't see your problem, and only 9 are within or close to the the RWRS system. It also didn't help that Pointrox went ahead and signed Carsten Jancker without asking me first, which put me over the driver limit after I'd already set my 2015 plans in stone, however rescinding control of David Koczo is something I had hoped to do and achieved soon after. I only have so many drivers because I compete in so many parallel series, I can't run three guys in everything and expect to keep it realistic.

I don't have a problem, apologies if I came across that way. I do prefer your approach to the time-travelling employed by dr-baker and many other daft things like that.

As a secondary point, you would never sign a driver without asking his owner first, would you

[This]

As i'm not that active (but i still visit pretty much every day, i just don't post a lot) i officialy withdraw my entry from the F1RWRS waiting list. I will remain active in other series, at the moment there are enough other series. I still keep on running Ron Mignolet of course.

[Warren Hughes]

As i'm not that active (but i still visit pretty much every day, i just don't post a lot) i officialy withdraw my entry from the F1RWRS waiting list. I will remain active in other series, at the moment there are enough other series. I still keep on running Ron Mignolet of course.

You don't need to do that just because you don't post a lot! But then if you don't want a team any more... Basically it's your choice.

[AndreaModa]

As i'm not that active (but i still visit pretty much every day, i just don't post a lot) i officialy withdraw my entry from the F1RWRS waiting list. I will remain active in other series, at the moment there are enough other series. I still keep on running Ron Mignolet of course.

You don't need to do that just because you don't post a lot! But then if you don't want a team any more... Basically it's your choice.

I agree! There's no need to worry about the fact you can't contribute much. We've had that very discussion recently, and I'm of the opinion that people should feel comfortable being able to run a team in the RWRS whilst having a lot of real-life commitments on and thus not being able to contribute much in the way of posting. For me personally, my free time to concentrate on running my team will only diminish as time goes on now that I've finished university, but that doesn't mean my team's future should be under threat.

This is the problem. People are getting scared off of running a team because they feel under pressure to contribute. That's not a relaxed, fun environment to be participating in is it? I fully stand by my earlier comments. We need to be easy on people who don't contribute much because otherwise members such as This aren't going to want to take part, and that is an incredible shame.

[This]

it's not about contributing, it's about understanding. I just don't feel like figuring things out
Of course i could just run a team deliberately as rejectful as possible, if you people would like to see that...

[AdrianSutil]

it's not about contributing, it's about understanding. I just don't feel like figuring things out
Of course i could just run a team deliberately as rejectful as possible, if you people would like to see that...

Nah. We've already got MechaGP for that.

[Wizzie]

MRT will throw their full support behind Mr Jones' idea for Proposal B for all the reasons he's stated above

[FMecha]

it's not about contributing, it's about understanding. I just don't feel like figuring things out
Of course i could just run a team deliberately as rejectful as possible, if you people would like to see that...

Nah. We've already got MechaGP for that.

No. That is Shonan

[eurobrun]

it's not about contributing, it's about understanding. I just don't feel like figuring things out
Of course i could just run a team deliberately as rejectful as possible, if you people would like to see that...

Nah. We've already got MechaGP for that.

No. That is Tropico

Fixed

[FMecha]

Eurobrun: You're quite true about Tropico being deliberately rejectful. But there is something worse actually: VIC.