Formula 1 - we recreate reality! 1951 season

[WaffleCat]

New Team to enter Formula One

Businessman Harry S. Reatherson,former WW2 sergeant,would like to enter a new team into Formula One,All-Ireland Motorsporthaving previously entered cars in hillclimbs and local races before.He plans to use his own chassis,a Reatherson,paired with 1.5 litre Maserati engines.He plans to enter the British,Dutch and Italian Grand Prix,with Joe Kelly at the wheel.

He says that this chassis will be unlike "anything seen before",and it seems to be true,with the car looking slightly wider than the rest of the cars.

[tommykl]

WaffleCat, your entry is on the list, but beware, Kelly might not be accepted any further than Britain, seeing that his only notable results have come in Britain itself and his epic fail in France last year.

[FantometteBR]

Go Ayulo Go!

[tommykl]

Laps 131-150 posted, thanks to more time than I expected.

[tommykl]

Laps 151-175 are posted, and things are heating up at the front.

[tommykl]

Laps 176-190 are now up. This is going to be close...

[tommykl]

The race is now over, the top ten is posted, but the order may change slightly as I adjust the scores for lapped drivers.

[JeremyMcClean]

Bloody good! I only wish there was a faster was to simulate the races...

[tommykl]

Bloody good! I only wish there was a faster was to simulate the races...

So do I, but the Indy 500 is truely exceptional with this kind of stuff. For Monaco, there were 20 cars and 100 laps, making for 2000 'rolls'. Indianapolis had 33 cars and 200 laps, making for 6600 'rolls'. The other races should take much less time, don't worry

[tommykl]

With adjustment for lapped cars (the review was done assuming that all cars completed the full 200 laps), the points scorers have changed, and all cars have big gaps between them. With the way the system is done, the same 'effort' made by the driver wins more time at the end of the race, where just 5 or 6 points are enough for a one-lap gap, when that would account for just a few seconds at the start of the race. To put it simply, one point in the standings was worth 14 seconds at the end of the race, and just 0.07 seconds on lap 1. To figure out lapped cars, I simply divided the race winner's time by 200, making for an average lap of 71.22 seconds.

Full standings for the 1951 Indianapolis 500
1. Troy Ruttman (Kurtis Kraft-Offenhauser) 3:57.24.56
2. Jimmy Jackson (Kurtis Kraft-Offenhauser) +2 laps
3. Bill Vukovich (Ferrari) +4 laps
4. Myron Fohr (Alfa Romeo) +5 laps
5. Charles Van Acker (Ferrari) +6 laps
6. Jimmy Davies (Ferrari) +6 laps
7. Duke Dinsmore (Talbot-Lago-Talbot) +6 laps
8. Cecil Green (Kurtis Kraft-Offenhauser) +8 laps
9. Manuel Ayulo (Kuzma-Maserati) +8 laps
10. Andy Linden (Kurtis Kraft-Offenhauser) +13 laps
11. Bobby Ball (Ball) +18 laps
12. Mauri Rose (Alfa Romeo) +18 laps
13. Mike Nazaruk (Kurtis Kraft-Offenhauser) +19 laps
14. Henry Banks (Metcalf-Jaguar) +19 laps
15. Lee Wallard (Wallard) +19 laps
16. Ralph Pratt (Pratt) +19 laps/Collision damage
17. Dries van der Lof (Kurtis Kraft-Ferrari) +20 laps
18. Jack McGrath (Talbot-Lago-Talbot) +21 laps
19. Bill Schindler (Maserati) +22 laps
20. Mike Hawthorn (Kurtis Kraft-Offenhauser) +28 laps/Gearbox
21. Rodger Ward (Ward) +30 laps
22. Carl Forberg (Maserati) +31 laps
Ret. Walt Brown (Maserati) +42 laps/Collision
Ret. Johnny Mauro (Mauro) +62 laps/Accident
Ret. Johnny McDowell (Maserati) +67 laps/Accident
Ret. Reg Parnell (Ferrari) +79 laps/Accident
Ret. Al Miller (Miller) +92 laps/Spin
Ret. Duke Nalon (Kurtis Kraft-Offenhauser) +97 laps/Oil leak
Ret. Mack Hellings (Maserati) +106 laps/Accident
Ret. Bob Sweikert (Kuzma-Maserati) +124 laps/Accident
Ret. Art Cross (Deidt-Jaguar) +130 laps/Gearbox
Ret. Tony Gaze (Kurtis Kraft-Offenhauser) +149 laps/Transmission
Ret. Joie Chitwood (Kurtis Kraft-Offenhauser) +179 laps/Engine

Fastest lap: Troy Ruttman - 1:05.23

Championship standings
Driver's championship
1. Robert Manzon - 9
=. Troy Ruttman - 9
3. Consalvo Sanesi - 6
=. Jimmy Jackson - 6
5. Dorino Serafini - 4
=. Bill Vukovich - 4
7. Paul Pietsch - 3
=. Myron Fohr - 3
9. Franco Rol - 2
=. Charles Van Acker - 2

Constructor's championship
1. Kurtis Kraft-Offenhauser - 9 (1 win, 1 2nd, 1 8th)
=. Gordini - 9 (1 win, 1 2nd, 2 Rets)
3. Ferrari - 8
4. Alfa Romeo - 6
5. Maserati - 2

Entrant's championship
1. Ferrari America - 9 (1 win, 1 2nd, 1 8th, 2 Rets, 1 DNQ)
2. Alexander Racing Team - 9 (1 win, 1 2nd, 2 Rets)
3. Alfa Romeo SpA - 6 (2 4ths, 1 12th, 3 Rets)
4. Ecurie Nationale Belge (Scuderia Belgio, Equipe de France, Garage Francorchamps) - 4 (1 3rd, 1 5th, 1 Ret, 3 DNQs)
5. Scuderia Ferrari - 4 (1 3rd, 1 6th, 1 7th, 1 10th, 1 Ret)
6. Redman Racing Team - 2 (1 5th)
7. Claes Racing Developments - 0 (1 6th, 1 8th, 1 Ret)
8. Motorsport Bleu - 0 (1 7th, 1 18th, 1 DNQ)
9. Scuderia Platé-Varzi - 0 (2 9ths, 1 Ret)
10. Ecurie Albertini - 0 (1 10th)
11. Team Metcalf GP - 0 (1 11th, 1 14th)
12. Bobby Ball - 0 (1 11th)
13. Robert William Racing Team - 0 (1 13th, 1 Ret)
14. Lee Wallard - 0 (1 15th)
15. Ralph Pratt - 0 (1 16th)
16. Scuderia Commesso - 0 (1 17th, 2 DNQs)
17. America Motorsport Team - 0 (1 19th, 1 22nd)
18. Rodger Ward - 0 (1 21st)
19. Scuderia Maremmana - 0 (2 Rets, 1 DNQ)
20. Phoenix Racing Organisation - 0 (1 Ret, 1 DNQ)
21. Johnny Mauro - 0 (1 Ret)
22. Al Miller - 0 (1 Ret)
23. Jaguar - Aston Martin Racing - 0 (4 DNQs)
24. Hampshire Racing Alliance - 0 (1 DNQ)
25. Scuderia Ambrosiana - 0 (1 DNQ)

Entry spots allowed for the next races
Alexander Racing Team - 18
Scuderia Ferrari - 18
Alfa Romeo SpA - 18
Redman Racing Team - 18
Claes Racing Developments - 18
Scuderia Platé-Varzi - 12
Team Metcalf GP - 12
Ecurie Nationale Belge (Scuderia Belgio, Equipe de France, Garage Francorchamps) - 12
Scuderia Maremmana - 12
Phoenix Racing Organisation - 12
Ferrari America - 6
Jaguar - Aston Martin Racing - 6
Scuderia Commesso - 6
Motorsport Bleu - 6
Hampshire Racing Alliance - 6
Scuderia Ambrosiana - 6
Eventual new teams - 6

[tommykl]

The following teams have more entries for the Belgian GP than the allowed limit. They may decide not to change any entries at the cost of further entries later on.

EDIT: All teams have confirmed their lineup.

SuperAguri, if you read this, could you also tell me which privateers you'll enter? I've still got your two spots reserved...

[AdrianSutil]

ART-Gordini will keep their four entries for Belgium and re-evaluate our drivers performances for the next race, where the first dropped driver will take place.

[eurobrun]

Is it just me or does having a 30 lap distance between first and last seem a bit unrealistic.

[tommykl]

Is it just me or does having a 30 lap distance between first and last seem a bit unrealistic.

That's just how things work

Seriously, Forberg and Ward were slow all race, while Ruttman was freakishly quick. That and there must be something wrong with the scoring system, but as long as only the gaps are affected, it's not really a problem, is it?

[Klon]

Well, does my current entry schedule for the rest of the season work out or do I have to cut any drivers to stay under the limit?

[tommykl]

Well, does my current entry schedule for the rest of the season work out or do I have to cut any drivers to stay under the limit?

At the moment, yes, barely. Your decision to not enter the Dutch GP allows the use of third drivers for Silverstone and Monza, so unless you drop back in the entrant's championship, you should be fine.

[FantometteBR]

Scuderia Platé-Varzi will keep their entries for the Belgian race

[Shadaza]

Is there any other way to get more entries for the season? For Belgium and France, Ferrari America will cut down to 1 car. With Luigi Villoresi driving for development work. At this rate we will be missing the Dutch grand prix and possibly even the Nurburgring because two cars for Silverstone and Monza are essential. Can't the Indianapolis winners get a wild card entries to Monza perhaps ....

[tommykl]

Is there any other way to get more entries for the season? For Belgium and France, Ferrari America will cut down to 1 car. With Luigi Villoresi driving for development work. At this rate we will be missing the Dutch grand prix and possibly even the Nurburgring because two cars for Silverstone and Monza are essential. Can't the Indianapolis winners get a wild card entries to Monza perhaps ....

You can get more entries by getting good results and climbing up the standings in the entrant's championship. More success = more entries.

[Wizzie]

In that case, exactly how screwed is Jaguar-Aston Martin?

[tommykl]

In that case, exactly how screwed is Jaguar-Aston Martin?

Let's see: hopeless chassis, hopeless engine. What you need is to hire a good driver to get yourself up the grid. For example, Louis Chiron is available for every race from now on except for France. To a lesser extent, you could consider Mauri Rose or Nello Pagani, who still have fairly good stats. With them, you might stand a chance at qualifying for the race, therefore having a shot at finishing the race and moving up in the entrant's championship. Entering four cars isn't going to help if you DNQ at every race.

[eurobrun]

In that case, exactly how screwed is Jaguar-Aston Martin?

Let's see: hopeless chassis, hopeless engine. What you need is to hire a good driver to get yourself up the grid. For example, Louis Chiron is available for every race from now on except for France. To a lesser extent, you could consider Mauri Rose or Nello Pagani, who still have fairly good stats. With them, you might stand a chance at qualifying for the race, therefore having a shot at finishing the race and moving up in the entrant's championship. Entering four cars isn't going to help if you DNQ at every race.

Would it make me a complete James Allen if I decided to only run Chiron for the rest of the season.

[tommykl]

In that case, exactly how screwed is Jaguar-Aston Martin?

Let's see: hopeless chassis, hopeless engine. What you need is to hire a good driver to get yourself up the grid. For example, Louis Chiron is available for every race from now on except for France. To a lesser extent, you could consider Mauri Rose or Nello Pagani, who still have fairly good stats. With them, you might stand a chance at qualifying for the race, therefore having a shot at finishing the race and moving up in the entrant's championship. Entering four cars isn't going to help if you DNQ at every race.

Would it make me a complete James Allen if I decided to only run Chiron for the rest of the season.

Yes, yes it would

[SuperAguri]

Can I enter the privateers

Aldo Gordini - Simca Gordini (Simca Gordini T11 - Gordini S4)

For the Belgium GP and French GPs

Geoff Richardson - RRA ERA (RRA - ERA S6) (http://www.oldracingcars.com/results/re ... 024#note12)

For the Belgium and British GP?

[tommykl]

Can I enter the privateers

Aldo Gordini - Simca Gordini (Simca Gordini T11 - Gordini S4)

For the Belgium GP and French GPs

Geoff Richardson - RRA ERA (RRA - ERA S6) (http://www.oldracingcars.com/results/re ... 024#note12)

For the Belgium and British GP?

Gordini, thanks to his decent non-championship results in 1950, is accepted, but Richardson, due to his lack of experience, is not. Both are on the entry list for their second race, and we will see whether they take part then.

[tommykl]

OK, so This and JeremyMcClean (or Wizzie) have to tell me whether they want to change their lineup or not.

[JeremyMcClean]

OK, so This and JeremyMcClean (or Wizzie) have to tell me whether they want to change their lineup or not.

For now, the lineup stays the same. Unless Wizzie wants something different. The only way we can qualify this car is to maintain consistency!

[tommykl]

OK, so This and JeremyMcClean (or Wizzie) have to tell me whether they want to change their lineup or not.

For now, the lineup stays the same. Unless Wizzie wants something different. The only way we can qualify this car is to maintain consistency!

You do know that if you do keep this lineup, you will only be allowed two more entries for the rest of the season unless a miracle happens, right?

[JeremyMcClean]

OK, so This and JeremyMcClean (or Wizzie) have to tell me whether they want to change their lineup or not.

For now, the lineup stays the same. Unless Wizzie wants something different. The only way we can qualify this car is to maintain consistency!

You do know that if you do keep this lineup, you will only be allowed two more entries for the rest of the season unless a miracle happens, right?

Hmm, you are indeed correct. As in two cars at all?

Then I immediaetly withdraw all entries from the race. The car is too slow to be competitive on a fast track like Spa. I blame Jaguar.

[tommykl]

For now, the lineup stays the same. Unless Wizzie wants something different. The only way we can qualify this car is to maintain consistency!

You do know that if you do keep this lineup, you will only be allowed two more entries for the rest of the season unless a miracle happens, right?

Hmm, you are indeed correct. As in two cars at all?

Then I immediaetly withdraw all entries from the race. The car is too slow to be competitive on a fast track like Spa. I blame Jaguar.

Since you share the team's ownership with Wizzie, I'll leave him until Tuesday to have his say. If he doesn't, then I'll pull all entries, as you've asked.

[tommykl]

Jeremy, I've pulled all the entries, since Wizzie didn't show up. This leaves Gerard, Etancelin and Pilette out of a drive, as I wasn't going to accept Martin anyways. This, it's up to you to find a drive for Pilette if you want him to drive.

[Wizzie]

Can someone remind me whose decision was it to have Aston make the engine and Jaguar the chassis? It probably should have been the other way round to be honest.

[tommykl]

Can someone remind me whose decision was it to have Aston make the engine and Jaguar the chassis? It probably should have been the other way round to be honest.

Both had equally bad stats, the result would have been exactly the same, except maybe a few points gained thanks to Metcalf, oddly enough.

[Wizzie]

Can someone remind me whose decision was it to have Aston make the engine and Jaguar the chassis? It probably should have been the other way round to be honest.

Both had equally bad stats, the result would have been exactly the same, except maybe a few points gained thanks to Metcalf, oddly enough.

By Metcalf? Explain to me how this bathpluggering and black magic works.

[tommykl]

Can someone remind me whose decision was it to have Aston make the engine and Jaguar the chassis? It probably should have been the other way round to be honest.

Both had equally bad stats, the result would have been exactly the same, except maybe a few points gained thanks to Metcalf, oddly enough.

By Metcalf? Explain to me how this bathpluggering and black magic works.

I meant Scuderia Maremmana, not Metcalf

I count all the points gained by drivers, chassis, engines and entrants and award better performance to those with a better championship place. Thanks to Maremmana's regular finishes in 1950, the Jaguar engine has a better rating than the Aston Martin. However, it's only a marginal gain. The Jaguar engine gets 3 points, to Aston's 2. For the chassis, the Aston is slightly ahead of the Jag, but they are awarded the same performance points.

So by switching the chassis and the engine, you will get a one-point increase in performance, when switching, for example, Bob Gerard for Louis Chiron would net you a 12-point increase, it's a no-brainer, really.

[Wizzie]

Both had equally bad stats, the result would have been exactly the same, except maybe a few points gained thanks to Metcalf, oddly enough.

By Metcalf? Explain to me how this bathpluggering and black magic works.

I meant Scuderia Maremmana, not Metcalf

I count all the points gained by drivers, chassis, engines and entrants and award better performance to those with a better championship place. Thanks to Maremmana's regular finishes in 1950, the Jaguar engine has a better rating than the Aston Martin. However, it's only a marginal gain. The Jaguar engine gets 3 points, to Aston's 2. For the chassis, the Aston is slightly ahead of the Jag, but they are awarded the same performance points.

So by switching the chassis and the engine, you will get a one-point increase in performance, when switching, for example, Bob Gerard for Louis Chiron would net you a 12-point increase, it's a no-brainer, really.

But if I switch both, I get 13 points.

[eurobrun]

In that case, can Scuderia Commesso use a Maserati chassis from now on

[tommykl]

By Metcalf? Explain to me how this bathpluggering and black magic works.

I meant Scuderia Maremmana, not Metcalf

I count all the points gained by drivers, chassis, engines and entrants and award better performance to those with a better championship place. Thanks to Maremmana's regular finishes in 1950, the Jaguar engine has a better rating than the Aston Martin. However, it's only a marginal gain. The Jaguar engine gets 3 points, to Aston's 2. For the chassis, the Aston is slightly ahead of the Jag, but they are awarded the same performance points.

So by switching the chassis and the engine, you will get a one-point increase in performance, when switching, for example, Bob Gerard for Louis Chiron would net you a 12-point increase, it's a no-brainer, really.

But if I switch both, I get 13 points.

Well, yeah, but switching drivers is the main thing

In that case, can Scuderia Commesso use a Maserati chassis from now on

As you wish, but Maserati-Ferrari could lead to some trouble, don't you think?

[eurobrun]

Thanks, how many more points will I get.

[tommykl]

Thanks, how many more points will I get.

7.

Injury Report

Of all the drivers involved in accidents during the Indianapolis 500, Mack Hellings was the only injury. He fractured both ankles during his accident, and will be out of action for a month.