2015 RoLFS: Aston 24H: RACE RESULTS UP

[Wizzie]

Three days ago, MRT were the oly new entry and looking fairly safe for qualifying for the majority of the races. And then THIS happens

[Nuppiz]

Great!

So lets make this official:

Entrant: De Friis Motorsport (NED)
Cars:
#29 Karl van der Zwaart (NED)
#30 Helio Hernandez (MEX)

Engine: Judd badged as Citroen

Liveries coming later

All good, except your numbers are 28 and 29, and the engine situation is still not entirely clear so you'll have to wait with that (but in any case you'll get to keep the Citroën name on, though). Also remember to choose your tyres, at the moment Pirelli and Dunlop have still got slots left.

With this addition, the non-qualification compensations are now 6-7-8-9-10-11-12-13-14, which is still subject to change. Also, the absolute, unchanging entry limit is 30 cars. So there's only one car slot left.

Three days ago, MRT were the oly new entry and looking fairly safe for qualifying for the majority of the races. And then THIS happens

I'm pretty surprised at the recent amount of entries as well. However, they're now limited, as I don't want to see the same as what is in F1RWRS at the moment (with many teams constantly failing to qualify). Also, I've got a plan in mind which may see entrants failing to qualify for the feature race having the chance to take part in the sprint race.

[Ataxia]

Three days ago, MRT were the oly new entry and looking fairly safe for qualifying for the majority of the races. And then THIS happens

Don't worry Wizzie, I'll be amazed if my entry manages to qualify

[Stramala]

Or you could change to a Rallycross format

[Nuppiz]

Well, here's my idea for the revised sprint race format. Currently, all a car needs to do to qualify for the sprint race is to get over 90% of the distance of the winner. If there are disqualifications or retirements before that limit, then there will simply be less cars competing. However under the revised system, those who fail to get over the 90% distance would have to drive against the 9 non-qualified cars in a special qualifying session. The fastest cars from this session would then be put at the back of the sprint race grid. While it may seem that they've got little chance of getting anything out of it, the carnage which will no doubt now take place with the faster cars gives them a chance to get a good position or even score points despite missing the feature race.

For example, we have a race where 4 cars fail to complete the 90% limit, plus one that is disqualified. The disqualified driver cannot take part in the sprint race, so that leaves 5 grid slots for the sprint race. The four under-90% drivers now have to battle against the 9 who failed to qualify, and 5 of the fastest drivers of this special qualifying session get into the sprint race - the fastest gets the 16th grid spot, followed by 17th, 18th, 19th, the 5th best getting 20th. All others fail to qualify. So there's a chance that those who failed to qualify for the feature race may still sneak into the sprint race. Does this sound good?

[Ataxia]

Well, here's my idea for the revised sprint race format. Currently, all a car needs to do to qualify for the sprint race is to get over 90% of the distance of the winner. If there are disqualifications or retirements before that limit, then there will simply be less cars competing. However under the revised system, those who fail to get over the 90% distance would have to drive against the 9 non-qualified cars in a special qualifying session. The fastest cars from this session would then be put at the back of the sprint race grid. While it may seem that they've got little chance of getting anything out of it, the carnage which will no doubt now take place with the faster cars gives them a chance to get a good position or even score points despite missing the feature race.

For example, we have a race where 4 cars fail to complete the 90% limit, plus one that is disqualified. The disqualified driver cannot take part in the sprint race, so that leaves 5 grid slots for the sprint race. The four under-90% drivers now have to battle against the 9 who failed to qualify, and 5 of the fastest drivers of this special qualifying session get into the sprint race - the fastest gets the 16th grid spot, followed by 17th, 18th, 19th, the 5th best getting 20th. All others fail to qualify. So there's a chance that those who failed to qualify for the feature race may still sneak into the sprint race. Does this sound good?

Like it. Definitely spices things up for the sprint race.

[eurobrun]

Sounds like a good idea.

[Vepe]

Great!

So lets make this official:

Entrant: De Friis Motorsport (NED)
Cars:
#29 Karl van der Zwaart (NED)
#30 Helio Hernandez (MEX)

Engine: Judd badged as Citroen

Liveries coming later

All good, except your numbers are 28 and 29, and the engine situation is still not entirely clear so you'll have to wait with that (but in any case you'll get to keep the Citroën name on, though). Also remember to choose your tyres, at the moment Pirelli and Dunlop have still got slots left.

This clear.
I´ll take Dunlops.

[Stramala]

Can I offer another suggestion.

There is a qualifying session followed by three races. All cars, 1st to 30th, get a qualifying position. At this point, there are two seperate races, Heat A and Heat B. 1st overall in qualifying starts on pole in Heat A, 2nd in quali starts on pole in Heat B. 3rd overall is second in Heat A, 4th overall is second in Heat B, and so on.

The Heat races are short, and only award minor points (1st-4th, 5-3-2-1). Out of the 15 cars in each heat, 5 are eliminated, leaving the 10 best from each to combine in the Final, where bigger points are handed out (1st-10th, you decide).

It gives a chance for cars which were unfairly blocked in quali or just plain sucked to make up some positions and race in the final, and also gives the perennial backmarkers some actual race time as well.

[Nuppiz]

Can I offer another suggestion.

There is a qualifying session followed by three races. All cars, 1st to 30th, get a qualifying position. At this point, there are two seperate races, Heat A and Heat B. 1st overall in qualifying starts on pole in Heat A, 2nd in quali starts on pole in Heat B. 3rd overall is second in Heat A, 4th overall is second in Heat B, and so on.

The Heat races are short, and only award minor points (1st-4th, 5-3-2-1). Out of the 15 cars in each heat, 5 are eliminated, leaving the 10 best from each to combine in the Final, where bigger points are handed out (1st-10th, you decide).

It gives a chance for cars which were unfairly blocked in quali or just plain sucked to make up some positions and race in the final, and also gives the perennial backmarkers some actual race time as well.

So, in essence the sprint race would be replaced by two heats. There might be a slight problem if we don't get a 30th entrant (plus it will be painful to make it work in the wiki!). But other than that it sounds quite interesting, so I'm taking it into consideration.

[Wizzie]

Can I offer another suggestion.

There is a qualifying session followed by three races. All cars, 1st to 30th, get a qualifying position. At this point, there are two seperate races, Heat A and Heat B. 1st overall in qualifying starts on pole in Heat A, 2nd in quali starts on pole in Heat B. 3rd overall is second in Heat A, 4th overall is second in Heat B, and so on.

The Heat races are short, and only award minor points (1st-4th, 5-3-2-1). Out of the 15 cars in each heat, 5 are eliminated, leaving the 10 best from each to combine in the Final, where bigger points are handed out (1st-10th, you decide).

It gives a chance for cars which were unfairly blocked in quali or just plain sucked to make up some positions and race in the final, and also gives the perennial backmarkers some actual race time as well.

So, in essence the sprint race would be replaced by two heats. There might be a slight problem if we don't get a 30th entrant (plus it will be painful to make it work in the wiki!). But other than that it sounds quite interesting, so I'm taking it into consideration.

Let the wiki people who know what their doing (i.e. AndreaModa, Tommy, Tristian, Kostas and Lappy/Myself when we're not too lazy to do anything) sort that out for you.

[pasta_maldonado]

Can I offer another suggestion.

There is a qualifying session followed by three races. All cars, 1st to 30th, get a qualifying position. At this point, there are two seperate races, Heat A and Heat B. 1st overall in qualifying starts on pole in Heat A, 2nd in quali starts on pole in Heat B. 3rd overall is second in Heat A, 4th overall is second in Heat B, and so on.

The Heat races are short, and only award minor points (1st-4th, 5-3-2-1). Out of the 15 cars in each heat, 5 are eliminated, leaving the 10 best from each to combine in the Final, where bigger points are handed out (1st-10th, you decide).

It gives a chance for cars which were unfairly blocked in quali or just plain sucked to make up some positions and race in the final, and also gives the perennial backmarkers some actual race time as well.

Good idea kostas, but we don't want to turn this into the Champions League or something. Nuppiz, is there any way you can change the number of cars that can start, perhaps to 25? I don't know how similar LFS is to rFactor, but in rFactor there is a line in the track file that governs how many cars can start a race.

[Stramala]

I had a look at the config file myself and couldn't fine any line in the code that allows modification of maximum cars allowed. But perhaps I missed something, maybe there's another file in another file that controls it, I don't know, but certainly in the general game config file there's no option for it.

[pasta_maldonado]

I had a look at the config file myself and couldn't fine any line in the code that allows modification of maximum cars allowed. But perhaps I missed something, maybe there's another file in another file that controls it, I don't know, but certainly in the general game config file there's no option for it.

I don't have LFS myself, maybe look in the track files themselves? Or is there a series file?

[Vepe]

We are happy to announce our line-up for 2015 Rejects of LFS season.
Our driver for the number 28 car is Karl van der Zwaart. After lot of success in junior formulae, incliding first place in Finnish F3 Championship in 2012 and third place in British F3 championship in 2011 and 2012, he jumped across the pond to Indy Lights, where he was moderately successful with a total of one 2nd and 5 3rd places.

Our driver for the number 29 car is mexican Helio Hernandez. Although he is unexperienced, he seems to have a lot of natural talent and we think that he´s going to be a great driver.

We also want to thank Citroen for their support which was needed for this move. We are truly grateful to be able to use Citroen Racings base in Versailles as our base.

We are also happy to announce that De Friis Motorsport is now a part of Citroen Racings young driver progam, both in rallying and at the track.

Here are liveries:
Hernandez
van der Zwaart

[Stramala]

Also, Nuppiz, I don't know if you're aware of this or not, but you could always make the tracks into bonafide Rejects of LFS venues by customising the circuit...such as what I've done here;

[pasta_maldonado]

Also, Nuppiz, I don't know if you're aware of this or not, but you could always make the tracks into bonafide Rejects of LFS venues by customising the circuit...such as what I've done here;

Il Barone Rampante's version of Fiorano?

[Nuppiz]

Good idea kostas, but we don't want to turn this into the Champions League or something. Nuppiz, is there any way you can change the number of cars that can start, perhaps to 25? I don't know how similar LFS is to rFactor, but in rFactor there is a line in the track file that governs how many cars can start a race.

I've looked around on the internet to see if there was a way to expand the grid size, but nope, no options. The old Y18 version from about four years ago had a giltch that allowed grids up to 32 AI cars, but that can't be applied to the current version and I can't find a working download for such an old version either.

I've got a couple of alternative qualifying methods as well, they'll follow in a separate post.

Also, Nuppiz, I don't know if you're aware of this or not, but you could always make the tracks into bonafide Rejects of LFS venues by customising the circuit...such as what I've done here;

Yeah, I could.. but I'm too lazy to be bothered.

Here are liveries:
Hernandez
van der Zwaart

And here's what it looks like in-game:


As you can see, it's quite fuzzy, which is the result of the image being quite small. If you want it to be better, you should use a bigger size.

[Nuppiz]

Okay, here's two more ideas for qualifying:

System #3 Similar to my first suggestion, but with a twist. Only the last 10 finishers of the feature race are guaranteed for the sprint race; all other finishers (and non-finishers) have to battle against the non-qualifiers in a special qualifying session, with the 10 fastest drivers getting into the sprint race.

Example: 9 cars automatically fail to qualify for the feature race. The race has 16 finishers and four retirements. Cars from positions 7 to 16 form the first half of the sprint race grid, while all other cars battle for the other half.

System #4 The feature race will take place normally, with the 20 best qualifiers getting in it. However, the sprint race is replaced by a "consolation race", where all non-qualifiers are joined by all who failed to complete at least 90% of the feature race (if the total goes over 20, then only those who retired the earliest are included).

Example 1: 9 cars automatically fail to qualify for the feature race, and are demoted to the "consolation race". The fastest non-qualifier takes the pole position, followed by 2nd for the 22nd qualifier etc.. In the feature race, 6 cars retire; these cars are added to the consolation race, with the car that retired the latest going right behind the non-qualifiers, and the car with the earliest retirement starting last.

Example 2: Like above, but with the feature race having 12 retirements. The car which retired the closest to the end won't take part in the consolation race.

So, which one of these is your favorite? You can now vote for numbers 1, 2, 3 and 4:
1: My original suggestion
2: Kostas' heat system
3: System #3 in this post.
4: System #4 in this post.

New suggestions are still welcome as well.

[Stramala]

My vote goes to #2 obviously

[Nuppiz]

Also, forgot to mention that because of the forums being down for almost the whole day, Phoenix and Pointrox get extra time in deciding whether or not they want to use Judds. The new deadline is now 22:00 UTC, June 6th, after which The Lukas may decide upon the matter, and Tarantino Autosport may choose their engine freely.

[This]

i'm going for 1 or 4

i would like to get the third update for GTI too, because allmost all teams have now 3 updates. The original idea was 'being so slow that GTI will avoid being involved in crashes' but with that many entrants...
My test-driver is Gio Van Dycke, because Trabant and Cillit Bang! insist. Also can you put additional Moneytron-logos on the rear wing?

[Nuppiz]

i'm going for 1 or 4

i would like to get the third update for GTI too, because allmost all teams have now 3 updates. The original idea was 'being so slow that GTI will avoid being involved in crashes' but with that many entrants...
My test-driver is Gio Van Dycke, because Trabant and Cillit Bang! insist. Also can you put additional Moneytron-logos on the rear wing?

Acknowledged.

[Wizzie]

MRT will vote for option 2

[JeremyMcClean]

MRT will vote for option 2

#2 is the least confusing. So I will vote for #2 as well.

[AdrianSutil]

I liked the idea of number 2 aswell. But I don't have an entry

However, what year is this being run in? Does it coincide with the RWRS? If it is, then I might fill the last spot, making the second option easier to manage.

[Wizzie]

I liked the idea of number 2 aswell. But I don't have an entry

However, what year is this being run in? Does it coincide with the RWRS? If it is, then I might fill the last spot, making the second option easier to manage.

It does indeed run at the same time as the 2015 FORWRS (Which will forever more be the collective term Formula Openwheel Rejects World Race Series to make it easier to group them all) season.

[AdrianSutil]

In that case, Kingfisher will take the 30th and final spot with F1RWRS test-driver Matthias Valsattis taking the sole entry (which keeps him busy).

Someone please run by me the entry process as I'm honestly too damn lazy to find out myself

[pasta_maldonado]

I vote for number 3

[Stramala]

All this talk of numbers reminds me of this

[Nuppiz]

In that case, Kingfisher will take the 30th and final spot with F1RWRS test-driver Matthias Valsattis taking the sole entry (which keeps him busy).

Someone please run by me the entry process as I'm honestly too damn lazy to find out myself

Kingfisher Racing (AdrianSutil)
#30: Matthias Valsattis (M) (LAT)
Current credits: 75 (bonus from Valsattis' previous experience)
Engine: ? (you still need to wait to find out if you're going to get a Zytek or a Judd, but you can already choose what you want to rebadge it).
Added Mass: 50 kg
Tyres: ? (Pirelli or Dunlop)

And with that, Ural Racing (The Lukas) now has the clock ticking for their privilege to replace their Zyteks with Judds. Their deadline is on 08:30 UTC, June 9th. Tarantino Autosport may now choose their engines freely.

[pasta_maldonado]

All this talk of numbers reminds me of this

Reminds me of this

[Stramala]

All this talk of numbers reminds me of this

Reminds me of this

Which in turn reminds me of this.

[Ataxia]

All this talk of numbers reminds me of this

Reminds me of this

Which in turn reminds me of this.

I only watch Countdown for Rachel Riley...

[Vepe]

As you can see, it's quite fuzzy, which is the result of the image being quite small. If you want it to be better, you should use a bigger size.

No, I´m fine with that. Meaning too lazy to redo them.

[dr-baker]

All this talk of numbers reminds me of this

Reminds me of this

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That Countdown was so easy:

100((7+6+1)/2)

[The Lukas]

Ural Racing replace thier Zytek engine on Judd engines

[Shadaza]

I will vote for Kostas's heat system as it reminds me the most of my Karting days!

Apologies If I do not post so much in the thread as time is really hard to find at the moment!

[Nuppiz]

Ural Racing replace thier Zytek engine on Judd engines

Alright, that means that as soon as the deadline for Phoenix's and Pointrox's first preference over the Judd engines ends, all remaining teams may choose whichever engine they want (both manufacturers still have two slots open).

I will vote for Kostas's heat system as it reminds me the most of my Karting days!

Apologies If I do not post so much in the thread as time is really hard to find at the moment!

No worries, as long as you decide all the important things, I don't mind at all how much you post!

Curiously enough, only the preparation for this season has taken about the same amount of posts as the previous season altogether!

[pasta_maldonado]

Ural Racing replace thier Zytek engine on Judd engines

Alright, that means that as soon as the deadline for Phoenix's and Pointrox's first preference over the Judd engines ends, all remaining teams may choose whichever engine they want (both manufacturers still have two slots open).

I will vote for Kostas's heat system as it reminds me the most of my Karting days!

Apologies If I do not post so much in the thread as time is really hard to find at the moment!

No worries, as long as you decide all the important things, I don't mind at all how much you post!

Curiously enough, only the preparation for this season has taken about the same amount of posts as the previous season altogether!

It's going to be a season of 1982 proporttions....