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by **S951** » 05 Aug 2011, 05:07

http://www.bossgp.com/

a series for old F1, F3000, GP2, Indy and CART cars

been following this since it was euroboss and there have been a fair few interesting cars check it out and have a look.

by **ADx_Wales** » 05 Aug 2011, 08:15

My word, Its still going?

Thought it died last year, only about six 1st Gen. GP2 cars showed up at zandvoort.

by **Faustus** » 05 Aug 2011, 14:07

I was at the race at Donington in May. Great stuff!

by **S951** » 05 Aug 2011, 19:42

they had that coloni racing a while back last one before andrea moda. Few others reject cars to, also you seen the tech regs? it's a near free for all

by **f1-gast** » 06 Aug 2011, 05:46

ADx_Wales wrote:My word, Its still going?

Thought it died last year, only about six 1st Gen. GP2 cars showed up at zandvoort.

Hm i think we where on a diffrent Zandvoort

I saw the coloni, Arrows, Prost and if im sure the Tyrrell of 95.
Also 1 CART few Formula Vee's and GP2 and some F2 cars with the masters.

by **ADx_Wales** » 06 Aug 2011, 05:53

I apologise, I remember seeing a Boss GP clip on youtube from Zandvoort with about 900 Jos Vertappen Arrowses in it, went to look for series, only two visits before the series was cancelled.

The two sort of mashed in my memory.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_EuroB ... ies_season

by **f1-gast** » 06 Aug 2011, 06:29

by **ADx_Wales** » 06 Aug 2011, 06:55

Ascari (Klaus Zwaart) Bought the 97 season Benettons.

The "Ligier" is actually a March late 80s Indycar...

by **JohnMLTX** » 07 Aug 2011, 01:05

The two ChampCars aren't 2005, they're the 2007 Panoz DP-01s.

by **Faustus** » 08 Aug 2011, 05:16

f1-gast wrote:Oldy indy light ? Arrows A22 Bernoldi, unknown
http://i1187.photobucket.com/albums/z39 ... G_0151.jpg

GP2 First Generation; Renault World Series car I think; Arrows A22.

f1-gast wrote:Pacific PR002 ?
http://i1187.photobucket.com/albums/z39 ... G_0160.jpg
http://i1187.photobucket.com/albums/z39 ... G_0265.jpg
http://i1187.photobucket.com/albums/z39 ... G_0266.jpg

Ascari aka Benetton B197, modified to replace Renault engine with Judd V10 and replace Renault gearbox with something else that I can't remember.

f1-gast wrote:2003 indycar not sure which team or so
http://i1187.photobucket.com/albums/z39 ... G_0161.jpg

2001 G-Force 2nd Generation IRL.

f1-gast wrote:GP2 First Gen cars
http://i1187.photobucket.com/albums/z39 ... G_0264.jpg

Formula Nippon Lola B03/50.

f1-gast wrote:Champcar 2005
http://i1187.photobucket.com/albums/z39 ... G_0173.jpg

2007 Panoz DP011 Champ Car.

f1-gast wrote:Colini C3 ?
http://i1187.photobucket.com/albums/z39 ... G_0178.jpg

Coloni C4.

f1-gast wrote:Benetton B200 but could also be the F3 car of them
http://i1187.photobucket.com/albums/z39 ... G_0255.jpg

Benetton B197 in very similar spec to the Ascari, definitely with a Judd V10 engine.

f1-gast wrote:Minardi Champcar
http://i1187.photobucket.com/albums/z39 ... G_0257.jpg

2007 Panoz DP011 Champ Car.

f1-gast wrote:Ligier ?
http://i1187.photobucket.com/albums/z39 ... G_0259.jpg

As pointed out by ADx_Wales, March 88C IndyCar with a Judd engine. Sounded terrible when I saw it at Donington, misfiring like a bastard.

f1-gast wrote:Some other indy
http://i1187.photobucket.com/albums/z39 ... G_0260.jpg

Samee G-Force IRL from above.

f1-gast wrote:Old Formula 3000 ?
http://i1187.photobucket.com/albums/z39 ... G_0263.jpg

Yes, Reynard 91D F3000.

f1-gast wrote:MinardiPS02 ?
http://i1187.photobucket.com/albums/z39 ... G_0275.jpg

First Generation GP2.

by **Faustus** » 08 Aug 2011, 05:22

Nice photos f1-gast. Thanks for posting these.

by **shinji** » 08 Aug 2011, 05:53

That post was absolutely vicious Faustus :lol:

by **dr-baker** » 08 Aug 2011, 06:28

Faustus wrote:Nice photos f1-gast. Thanks for posting these.

shinji wrote:That post was absolutely vicious Faustus

Yes, it was, wasn't it?

by **Faustus** » 08 Aug 2011, 17:31

dr-baker wrote:
Faustus wrote:Nice photos f1-gast. Thanks for posting these.

shinji wrote:That post was absolutely vicious Faustus

Yes, it was, wasn't it?

Uh? No, I meant that, no sarcasm implied. They are good photos. Alright, I probably should have posted that before the breakdown of the photos, but the fact remains that the photos are good and some are very good.

by **f1-gast** » 08 Aug 2011, 18:46

Thnx got more of the Boss GP, also from F3, and all the other races that weekend.
I even walked on the circuit on the friday

by **dr-baker** » 08 Aug 2011, 19:31

Faustus wrote:
dr-baker wrote:
Faustus wrote:Nice photos f1-gast. Thanks for posting these.

shinji wrote:That post was absolutely vicious Faustus

Yes, it was, wasn't it?

Uh? No, I meant that, no sarcasm implied. They are good photos. Alright, I probably should have posted that before the breakdown of the photos, but the fact remains that the photos are good and some are very good.

I know it was absolutely not, hence the smiley! It is good to have someone who knows what the cars are, and to identify what they are for the rest of us who may or may not have known what they were. May I thank you for having taken the time and effort to have done so.

by **Faustus** » 08 Aug 2011, 20:16

f1-gast wrote:Thnx got more of the Boss GP, also from F3, and all the other races that weekend.
I even walked on the circuit on the friday

Yes please! More more more!
Did you take any photos as you walked around the circuit? I haven't been to Zandvoort in 10 years and I'm always curious to see how tracks have changed.

by **f1-gast** » 10 Aug 2011, 01:50

Yes i have, my mention was to do this also this year but lack of money, and that my LCD display of my EOS is damaged so no camera, i only go on the sunday.
Here's the link: http://s1187.photobucket.com/albums/z39 ... 20circuit/

After those pics i had to buy new shoes my Nikies (specially the airs) where melted haha

Track temp was about 50 degrees.
ALso the people you see on the pics had some boards with papers, and things they wrote down, after they saw me taking a photo the kept the board on their chest or just turned away

by **Cynon** » 10 Aug 2011, 03:12

Last I saw of BossGP there was a #65 IndyCar from 1990 that was racing.

If memory serves me right, John Jones started that car in the Indy 500...

... from the last row!!

Rejectometer has gone off the SCALE there...

by **Pointrox** » 17 Aug 2011, 18:03

Guess who's back

by **S951** » 18 Aug 2011, 07:13

Jan Lammers finished on the podium in the 2nd race and coronel beasted both races

Jos the boss!!

by **AdrianSutil** » 18 Aug 2011, 08:39

Pointrox wrote:Guess who's back

I miss the V10 scream

. Great video though.

by **Faustus** » 27 Sep 2011, 04:21

Klaas Zwart is now racing a Jaguar R5, from what I hear it's the FV10 car. You can see it at 0m22s in this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrVrMWtBB5c

by **nome66** » 27 Sep 2011, 05:24

this thread has answered almost all of my open-wheel "what if" and "what's faster" questions! time to start following the boss gp series.

by **Phoenix** » 27 Sep 2011, 21:49

Faustus wrote:Klaas Zwart is now racing a Jaguar R5, from what I hear it's the FV10 car. You can see it at 0m22s in this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrVrMWtBB5c

You guys can't imagine how much pisses me off that some poeple gets an old F1 car and removes its original livery. It's an historic car, for God's sake!

by **mario** » 27 Sep 2011, 22:56

Phoenix wrote:
Faustus wrote:Klaas Zwart is now racing a Jaguar R5, from what I hear it's the FV10 car. You can see it at 0m22s in this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrVrMWtBB5c

You guys can't imagine how much pisses me off that some poeple gets an old F1 car and removes its original livery. It's an historic car, for God's sake!

You'll find that the current teams are just as liable to do that with even relatively recent cars (Team Lotus, for example, turned up with a circa 2003 Toyota chassis to the Singapore GP painted in their livery, and Mercedes also have a show car painted in their colours that looks very similar to an early 2000's BAR). And that is before you look at Red Bull and their show cars, which often turns out to be a hybrid STR1 car combined with some contemporary aero parts to make it look roughly like that years Red Bull car.

That said, quite a few historic race cars are modified far beyond what was available to the teams at the time - I recall somebody asking on the F1Technical forums about how to modify a Benetton B194, and it seemed that he was adding a number of aero parts that would have been banned at the time due to the regulations. A number of those cars might have had the origial engines and transmissions stripped out too - Judd engines are fairly popular in modern conversions since they have far lower maintenance requirements, and the gearboxes are sometimes modified for easier maintenance too.

by **S951** » 27 Sep 2011, 23:32

from reading what the bossgp runners do is any carbon suspension parts are remade in steel for longer life and maintanence. Also the gearboxes again are changed for simpler semi auto ones most engine are dfv, hb or hart v8 or judd v10. Only the arrows run with either the original asiatech/peugeot v10 or hart v10 and only klass zwart runs a proper up to date cossie v10.

Fritz van erd with the tyrrell runs cossie v10 aswell but the older spec one there are quite a few d1 cars still about but don't run atm iirc the complete 95 simtek team is still for sale, andrea moda is still trying to shift his s921s and there are many many more just waiting for new owners

by **dinizintheoven** » 28 Sep 2011, 00:11

mario wrote:And that is before you look at Red Bull and their show cars, which often turns out to be a hybrid STR1 car combined with some contemporary aero parts to make it look roughly like that years Red Bull car.

You wouldn't be the only one to have noticed. Every time I've seen a "Red Bull" doing some kind of demonstration, whether it's a middle-of-the-city job or David Coulthard shooting paintballs at Jeremy Clarkson, I've seen the narrowed opening on the airbox and thought "hang on, isn't that the V10 Toro Rosso that raced against all the V8s... and lost?"

by **Faustus** » 28 Sep 2011, 00:28

dinizintheoven wrote:
mario wrote:And that is before you look at Red Bull and their show cars, which often turns out to be a hybrid STR1 car combined with some contemporary aero parts to make it look roughly like that years Red Bull car.

You wouldn't be the only one to have noticed. Every time I've seen a "Red Bull" doing some kind of demonstration, whether it's a middle-of-the-city job or David Coulthard shooting paintballs at Jeremy Clarkson, I've seen the narrowed opening on the airbox and thought "hang on, isn't that the V10 Toro Rosso that raced against all the V8s... and lost?"

I think you'll find that is a 2009 Red Bull. You can clearly see it's a 2009 car in the demo that David Coulthard did in Austin city centre and in the new Austin track, as well as the test that Tom Cruise did in Willow Springs.
Teams are not allowed to use cars newer than 2 years old for any promotional activities. Some teams, like McLaren, still use a 2008 car, as you can see in the car exchange thing between Tony Stewart and Lewis Hamilton in Watkins Glen and the demos that Jenson Button did in Moscow, Cardiff and other places.

by **dinizintheoven** » 28 Sep 2011, 08:43

Faustus wrote:I think you'll find that is a 2009 Red Bull. You can clearly see it's a 2009 car in the demo that David Coulthard did in Austin city centre and in the new Austin track, as well as the test that Tom Cruise did in Willow Springs.

I will look at these (and DC's paintball stunt, when I can find it again) very carefully. Now that I think of it, that incident where the nutter ran onto the track and was run over by Sébastien Buemi is another one to scrutinise.

by **Phoenix** » 28 Sep 2011, 20:06

dinizintheoven wrote:
mario wrote:And that is before you look at Red Bull and their show cars, which often turns out to be a hybrid STR1 car combined with some contemporary aero parts to make it look roughly like that years Red Bull car.

You wouldn't be the only one to have noticed. Every time I've seen a "Red Bull" doing some kind of demonstration, whether it's a middle-of-the-city job or David Coulthard shooting paintballs at Jeremy Clarkson, I've seen the narrowed opening on the airbox and thought "hang on, isn't that the V10 Toro Rosso that raced against all the V8s... and lost?"

Going by the design of the airbox, it seems like a RB1 with the nosecone of the beginning of the season's RB5 and the RB5's/RB6's rear wing.

by **Faustus** » 28 Sep 2011, 21:10

Phoenix wrote:
dinizintheoven wrote:
mario wrote:And that is before you look at Red Bull and their show cars, which often turns out to be a hybrid STR1 car combined with some contemporary aero parts to make it look roughly like that years Red Bull car.

You wouldn't be the only one to have noticed. Every time I've seen a "Red Bull" doing some kind of demonstration, whether it's a middle-of-the-city job or David Coulthard shooting paintballs at Jeremy Clarkson, I've seen the narrowed opening on the airbox and thought "hang on, isn't that the V10 Toro Rosso that raced against all the V8s... and lost?"

Going by the design of the airbox, it seems like a RB1 with the nosecone of the beginning of the season's RB5 and the RB5's/RB6's rear wing.

In the Top Gear thing with the car shooting paintballs, Jeremy Clarkson's voiceover does say that it is a 2005 Red Bull. Also, it's from season 14 of Top Gear, which was broadcast in late 2009. The city centre demonstration runs tend to be with a 2009 car.

by **IdeFan** » 01 Oct 2011, 23:15

I found Ferrari to be the worst, at the Autosport International in 2010 they had what I think was an F2002 dressed up in the (then) current funky barcode livery, they appeared to have done next to nothing to it, even retaining the narrow rear wing endplates which immediately dates it to pre 2004.

by **S951** » 04 May 2013, 01:33

better time than never to resurrect this thread then

by **johnnyCarwash** » 04 May 2013, 01:48

S951 wrote:better time than never to resurrect this thread then

indeed with the 2011 HRT participating

, will it beat the 2004 Jaguar?

Does anyone know if there is a calendar of events where BOSS GP will be racing this season?

by **nome66** » 04 May 2013, 03:29

any footage of the HRT?

by **pasta_maldonado** » 04 May 2013, 03:38

Does anyone know how this works? Obviously cars from different eras are going to be vastly different/superior to others.

by **pi314159** » 04 May 2013, 03:48

nome66 wrote:any footage of the HRT?

Not yet. I think they want to be ready for the event at Red Bull Ring on May 11/12.

by **S951** » 04 May 2013, 05:31

3 classes f1 cars in one gp2/indy/cart in another then pre 92 in the last one with wsn and pre 2000 f3000 cars

the F111 should be able to beat the Jag IF they actually do setup work at each track, have decent drivers in

Boss GP is bit of a weird series as if you read the rule book its pretty much a free for all any mods go only things not allowed are active suspension so in theory someone could fit a 2006 spec cossie v8 in the 20k rpm beast or a last of the v10s. Aero is pretty much a free for all so in theory a current F1 team could "sell a 2 year old car" then test various aero parts on it

by **Hound55** » 04 May 2013, 10:59

Just watched a few youtube videos of this. It was cool to listen to all of the different engine noises and try to identify them before they got on screen.

Shame they can't make the trek to the states, but it's understandable.

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