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by **James1978** » 05 Aug 2011, 21:03

Reckon Alex Wurz could be a dark horse for 1998 but Hakkinen will still probably win.

by **Bleu** » 05 Aug 2011, 21:23

Btw, just realized that Williams-Renault partnership got 8 drivers' titles out of 9.

by **Bleu** » 07 Aug 2011, 23:24

1998

Mika Häkkinen 78 (6 wins, 3 2nd) AUS ESP MON GBR AUT LUX
Eddie Irvine 66 (4 wins, 1 2nd, 2 3rd) CAN FRA ITA JPN
Heinz-Harald Frentzen 36 (1 win, 2 2nd, 2 3rd) HUN
David Coulthard 35 (1 win, 3 2nd, 1 3rd) RSM
Alexander Wurz 35 (1 win, 1 2nd, 4 3rd) BRA
Ralf Schumacher 31 (1 win, 2 2nd) BEL
Giancarlo Fisichella 29 (1 2nd, 2 3rd)
Jacques Villeneuve 22 (1 win, 1 2nd, 1 3rd) GER
Jean Alesi 21 (1 2nd, 2 3rd)
Michael Schumacher 20 (1 win, 1 2nd, 1 3rd) ARG
Rubens Barrichello 9 (1 3rd)
Johnny Herbert 8 (2 4th)
Jan Magnussen 5 (1 4th)
Mika Salo 4 (1 4th)
Pedro Diniz 4 (1 4th)
Jarno Trulli 3 (1 5th)
Shinji Nakano 3 (1 5th)
Esteban Tuero 2 (1 5th)
Toranosuke Takagi 2 (1 5th)
Ricardo Rosset 1 (1 6th)
Damon Hill 1 (1 6th)

Häkkinen was strong enough to win the title, although Irvine gave quite a good challenge. The rest of the pack quite close. Both Minardi and Tyrrell drivers score points, only ones to miss are Olivier Panis and Jos Verstappen!

by **James1978** » 07 Aug 2011, 23:35

I'll say Irvine for 1999 but I reckon Frentzen will run him close.

by **Bleu** » 08 Aug 2011, 03:35

1999

Eddie Irvine 83 (5 wins, 4 2nd, 2 3rd) AUS MON AUT GER MAL
Heinz-Harald Frentzen 50 (2 wins, 3 2nd, 2 3rd) BRA ITA
Ralf Schumacher 49 (1 win, 2 2nd) JPN
David Coulthard 37 (3 wins, 1 2nd) ESP GBR BEL
Mika Häkkinen 34 (3 wins, 1 3rd) CAN FRA HUN
Rubens Barrichello 34 (1 win, 1 2nd, 2 3rd) RSM
Johnny Herbert 20 (1 win, 1 3rd) EUR
Mika Salo 18 (1 2nd, 1 3rd) 5 points for BAR, 13 for Ferrari
Jarno Trulli 17 (1 2nd)
Giancarlo Fisichella 15 (1 2nd, 1 3rd)
Jean Alesi 12 (1 2nd, 1 3rd)
Alexander Wurz 12 (3 4th)
Michael Schumacher 6 (1 2nd)
Pedro Diniz 6 (3 5th)
Olivier Panis 5 (1 4th)
Alessandro Zanardi 5 (2 5th)
Marc Gene 4 (1 5th)
Jacques Villeneuve 3 (1 5th)
Toranosuke Takagi 2 (1 5th)
Luca Badoer 2 (1 5th)
Pedro de la Rosa 1 (1 6th)
Ricardo Zonta 1 (1 6th)

Irvine wins by much bigger margin than expected. Well, he was eligible for 12 races and he scored in all of them (of the real-life no-scores, San Marino he was eliminated, Europe he moved to 6th following Häkkinen's elimination) Frentzen had also four eliminations beforehand and that caused him to lose one win although he gained another elsewhere.

Hill fails to score, while Minardi beats not only BAR but also Arrows in the constructors.

by **James1978** » 08 Aug 2011, 04:11

Zippy Barrichello should walk it in 2000. ;-)

by **Bleu** » 08 Aug 2011, 20:19

2000

Rubens Barrichello 88 (6 wins, 4 2nd, 1 3rd) AUS ESP CAN FRA GER HUN
David Coulthard 51 (4 wins, 1 2nd) EUR MON AUT JPN
Ralf Schumacher 50 (2 wins, 4 2nd, 1 3rd) GBR ITA
Jenson Button 38 (1 win, 2 2nd, 2 3rd) BEL
Giancarlo Fisichella 30 (1 win, 1 2nd, 2 3rd) BRA
Mika Salo 27 (3 3rd)
Jarno Trulli 22 (1 2nd, 4 3rd)
Michael Schumacher 20 (2 wins) USA MAL
Jacques Villeneuve 18 (1 2nd)
Heinz-Harald Frentzen 15 (1 2nd, 2 3rd)
Jos Verstappen 14 (2 2nd)
Mika Häkkinen 13 (1 win) RSM
Ricardo Zonta 11 (2 4th)
Alexander Wurz 11 (1 3rd)
Johnny Herbert 9 (1 3rd)
Pedro de la Rosa 7 (2 4th)
Pedro Diniz 7 (1 4th)
Eddie Irvine 6 (1 4th)
Nick Heidfeld 2 (1 5th)
Marc Gene 2 (2 6th)
Gaston Mazzacane 1 (1 6th)

Barrichello has bad start for the season, but he recovers and takes easy win. Button wins a race in his debut season and both Minardi drivers score points. In fact, only regular driver failing to score is Alesi.

by **Shizuka** » 08 Aug 2011, 20:30

I'll say Ralf wins 2001, but will not walk away with it easily.

by **James1978** » 08 Aug 2011, 21:06

Shizuka wrote:I'll say Ralf wins 2001, but will not walk away with it easily.

Agreed. I think Montoya only finishing a handful of races will scupper him even though he's in every race. The McLarens and Ferraris are surely out of too many by now!

by **Shizuka** » 08 Aug 2011, 21:13

And Heidfeld will win in Brazil

by **James1978** » 08 Aug 2011, 21:24

Heidfeld might even outscore some of the top 3 teams (he'll struggle to outdo all of them mind you). Heck now many races is Ralf out of again?

GB, Italy, Japan and Belgium, only one of which he was on the podium for. No that's not enough for Heidfeld to beat him probably.

by **Bleu** » 09 Aug 2011, 17:53

2001

Ralf Schumacher 59 (5 wins, 1 2nd) RSM CAN FRA GER HUN
Rubens Barrichello 52 (3 wins, 3 2nd, 1 3rd) MAL GBR BEL
Juan Pablo Montoya 49 (4 wins, 1 2nd) ESP EUR ITA JPN
Nick Heidfeld 46 (2 wins, 1 2nd, 3 3rd) AUS BRA
Kimi Räikkönen 32 (1 2nd, 4 3rd)
Jarno Trulli 29 (3 2nd, 2 3rd)
Olivier Panis 20 (1 2nd)
Jenson Button 17 (1 2nd, 2 3rd)
Heinz-Harald Frentzen 16 (1 2nd, 2 3rd) 12 for Jordan, 4 for Prost
Jean Alesi 16 (1 2nd) 7 for Prost, 9 for Jordan
Jacques Villeneuve 14 (1 win) MON
Mika Häkkinen 12 (1 win) USA
David Coulthard 12 (2 2nd)
Jos Verstappen 12 (1 3rd)
Pedro de la Rosa 11 (2 3rd)
Michael Schumacher 10 (1 win) AUT
Eddie Irvine 7 (2 4th)
Luciano Burti 7 (1 4th) 3 for Jaguar, 4 for Prost
Giancarlo Fisichella 6 (1 2nd)
Enrique Bernoldi 6 (1 4th)
Tarso Marques 4 (1 4th)
Ricardo Zonta 3 (1 4th)

So it was quite a close battle, but in the end Ralf took it. Montoya did surprisingly well considering that he finished only six races, but as he was eligible to all races, all of them were in point-scoring positions, including Hungary.

by **Shizuka** » 09 Aug 2011, 19:50

Barrichello is my choice for 2002 - most of the already won races in the championship are retirements.

by **James1978** » 09 Aug 2011, 21:04

I'll disagree and say Montoya, there's only Spain he's out of where he did any good.

by **Bleu** » 10 Aug 2011, 16:58

2002

Juan Pablo Montoya 76 (5 wins, 3 2nd, 2 3rd) AUS RSM GBR GER BEL
Rubens Barrichello 50 (5 wins) AUT EUR ITA USA JPN
Kimi Räikkönen 44 (2 wins, 4 2nd) FRA HUN
Ralf Schumacher 38 (3 wins, 2 3rd) MAL BRA MON
Nick Heidfeld 36 (1 win, 1 2nd, 1 3rd) ESP
Jenson Button 32 (2 2nd, 3 3rd)
Jarno Trulli 25 (2 2nd, 1 3rd)
Felipe Massa 25 (1 2nd, 2 3rd)
Giancarlo Fisichella 19 (1 2nd)
David Coulthard 16 (1 win, 1 2nd) CAN
Mika Salo 16 (1 3rd)
Olivier Panis 12 (1 2nd)
Takuma Sato 10 (1 3rd)
Eddie Irvine 8 (1 2nd)
Heinz-Harald Frentzen 7 (1 3rd, 1 4th)
Jacques Villeneuve 7 (1 3rd, 1 5th)
Allan McNish 7 (2 4th)
Mark Webber 6 (1 3rd)
Pedro de la Rosa 5 (5 6th)
Alex Yoong 2 (1 5th)

Montoya takes a title early, it's notable that Rubens wins the last three races but is still 26 points off. Michael Schumacher was eliminated from all the races at that point (in real-life, notorious Austrian GP allowed him to have win from all GPs which were held that year)

The most epic results include Webber having a podium in his debut, as well as Sauber taking 1-2 in Spain. I found it very funny that de la Rosa had five 6th places and nothing else. And of course Alex Yoong scores couple of points in Australia.

Website · by **Wizzie** » 10 Aug 2011, 17:04

It simply HAS to be our friend Mr Raikkonen for 2003

by **James1978** » 10 Aug 2011, 21:06

Wizzie wrote:It simply HAS to be our friend Mr Raikkonen for 2003

Agreed, and I think Alonso will be 2nd.

by **Shizuka** » 10 Aug 2011, 22:33

Alonso won't drop any races, but everyone else ahead will at least once. Trulli will be 3rd or 4th.

by **James1978** » 10 Aug 2011, 22:52

Thinking ahead, if Alonso wins some races in '03 and '04, it might have an effect on him for '05. That could be a really interesting year.

by **Bleu** » 10 Aug 2011, 23:03

2003

Kimi Räikkönen 104 (9 wins, 1 2nd, 1 3rd) AUS MAL BRA RSM AUT GBR ITA USA JPN
Fernando Alonso 83 (2 wins, 6 2nd, 1 3rd) ESP HUN
Jarno Trulli 65 (1 win, 2 2nd, 4 3rd) GER
Jenson Button 51 (2 2nd, 1 3rd)
Mark Webber 50 (1 2nd, 2 3rd)
Cristiano da Matta 43 (3 3rd)
Juan Pablo Montoya 42 (3 wins, 1 2nd) MON CAN FRA
Nick Heidfeld 36 (1 4th)
Ralf Schumacher 28 (1 win, 1 2nd, 1 3rd) EUR
Heinz-Harald Frentzen 26 (1 2nd, 1 3rd)
Olivier Panis 21 (1 3rd)
Antonio Pizzonia 12 (1 4th)
Ralph Firman 12 (1 5th)
Giancarlo Fisichella 10 (1 6th)
Marc Gene 8 (1 2nd)
Jos Verstappen 7 (1 6th)
Justin Wilson 6 (3 7th) 4 points for Minardi
Jacques Villeneuve 6 (1 3rd)
Takuma Sato 5 (1 4th)
Nicolas Kiesa 2 (1 7th)
HWNSNBM 1 (1 8th)

The first season as points were distributed for top 8. For a long time it seemed a close championship: Alonso led with three races to go. Räikkönen won last three with Alonso getting only four points, so title went for the Finn.

Neither Ferrari or Coulthard scored. Michael Schumacher was eliminated from all (he will get some races as there are new GPs coming) Barrichello was eligible for one race and it's easy to guess what that was. Coulthard was eligible for USA and Malaysia - and he retired in both.

by **Shizuka** » 10 Aug 2011, 23:13

Button for 2004 then.

by **James1978** » 11 Aug 2011, 03:35

Was it his cursed home race that Zippy was eligible for in 2003?

2004 will indeed be a massacre. Button's out of only Belgium which he retired from anyway! (And I'd like to see Alonso win several more races to make 2005 interesting!)

by **Bleu** » 11 Aug 2011, 19:21

2004

Jenson Button 124 (7 wins, 4 2nd, 3 3rd) RSM EUR CAN GBR GER ITA JPN
Jarno Trulli 78 (2 wins, 3 2nd, 3 3rd) ESP MON - 73 for Renault, 5 for Toyota
Fernando Alonso 70 (2 wins, 2 2nd, 3 3rd) AUS FRA
Takuma Sato 63 (1 win, 3 2nd, 1 3rd) USA
Giancarlo Fisichella 50 (1 2nd)
Felipe Massa 44 (1 2nd, 1 3rd)
Juan Pablo Montoya 34 (3 wins) MAL HUN BRA
Mark Webber 32 (2 3rd)
Rubens Barrichello 26 (1 win, 2 2nd) CHN
Kimi Räikkönen 26 (1 win, 1 2nd, 1 3rd) BEL
Christian Klien 21 (1 3rd)
Olivier Panis 17 (1 3rd)
Ralf Schumacher 16 (1 2nd, 1 3rd)
Antonio Pizzonia 16 (1 3rd)
Nick Heidfeld 14 (1 4th)
Michael Schumacher 10 (1 win) BRN
David Coulthard 10 (2 4th)
HWNSNBM 10 (1 5th)
Cristiano da Matta 9 (1 4th)
Ricardo Zonta 7 (1 6th)
Timo Glock 6 (1 3rd)
Marc Gene 6 (1 5th)
Jacques Villeneuve 3 (1 6th)

Button takes easy title after Trulli's relationship with Renault team gets worse, they were almost on level after French GP. BAR has two 1-2s, Italy and Japan. In Italy Pizzonia gets 3rd - three ROTYs sharing the podium!

HWNSNBM unrejectifies himself. 5th came in Indianapolis, and he also got 6th in Monaco and Canada. Also notable is that Glock gets the podium in his debut. And whatever the eliminations are, Bruni and Pantano still fail to score.

by **James1978** » 11 Aug 2011, 21:05

Alonso should still be easy champion in 2005 with only being out of 4 races, one of which was Hungary which he had a 'mare in!

by **Shizuka** » 11 Aug 2011, 23:42

Yeah, but that means we will have someone else win 2006. So Alonso for 2005.

by **Ferrim** » 12 Aug 2011, 01:59

With so many eliminations for Alonso, Schumacher and Räikkönen, and presumably a few for Fisichella in 2005, 2006 could very well be Massa. 2007 has to be Hamilton, 2008 maybe Kubica, 2009 Button (he's not yet eliminated from any of his real wins, and I don't think he will win that many eliminations in 2005-08; but maybe Vettel has a shot). 2010 should be interesting and 2011 too (Vettel will have been eliminated from at least 8 races).

by **James1978** » 12 Aug 2011, 03:04

I'm saying Webber for 2010. This year could just about be anyone, maybe even someone like Rosberg has a chance!

by **Bleu** » 12 Aug 2011, 21:28

2005

Fernando Alonso 121 (10 wins, 2 2nd) MAL BRN RSM EUR GBR GER ITA BEL BRA CHN
Giancarlo Fisichella 78 (2 wins, 3 2nd, 3 3rd) AUS JPN
Jarno Trulli 66 (1 win, 3 2nd, 2 3rd) HUN
Mark Webber 61 (2 2nd, 3 3rd)
Kimi Räikkönen 57 (4 wins, 1 2nd, 1 3rd) ESP MON CAN TUR
Felipe Massa 55 (1 2nd, 1 3rd)
Christian Klien 44 (1 3rd)
Nick Heidfeld 41 (2 2nd, 2 3rd)
Jenson Button 32 (1 win, 1 2nd, 1 3rd) FRA
Tiago Monteiro 32 (1 win, 1 3rd) USA
Ralf Schumacher 21 (1 2nd, 1 3rd)
Takuma Sato 20 (1 4th)
Narain Karthikeyan 19 (1 2nd)
Christijan Albers 15 (1 3rd)
Jacques Villeneuve 13 (1 3rd)
Alexander Wurz 8 (1 2nd)
Rubens Barrichello 8 (1 2nd)
David Coulthard 8 (1 4th)
Juan Pablo Montoya 6 (1 3rd)
Vitantonio Liuzzi 6 (1 5th)
Patrick Friesacher 5 (1 4th)
Antonio Pizzonia 5 (1 4th)
Pedro de la Rosa 4 (1 5th)
Robert Doornbos 2 (2 8th)

So, Alonso dominates, with new point (although helped by a record number of races and point system revised in 2003) and single-season win record. Other drivers in good cars are out quite a lot. Trulli brings a first victory for Toyota.

US Grand Prix had both Ferraris eliminated so it was only Jordans and Minardis competing. So obviously it was Jordan 1-2. Also worth of mention that Felipe Massa scored points in 14 occasions - a clear sign what having reliable car and no eliminations mean. Webber had 13 and Klien 11 while he missed four races. Monteiro, scored nine times.

Compared to real-life results, even 16th place gave points at some point - Sato in Britain and Karthikeyan in Germany.

by **James1978** » 12 Aug 2011, 22:32

Massa should take 2006 quite easily then.

by **Bleu** » 13 Aug 2011, 16:18

2006

Felipe Massa 124 (7 wins, 4 2nd, 1 3rd) RSM EUR USA FRA GER TUR BRA
Giancarlo Fisichella 91 (3 wins, 5 2nd, 3 3rd) MAL ESP GBR
Jenson Button 64 (1 win, 3 2nd, 3 3rd) HUN
Nick Heidfeld 48 (3 3rd)
Fernando Alonso 43 (3 wins, 1 2nd) MON CAN JPN
Jarno Trulli 36 (4 3rd)
Pedro de la Rosa 30 (1 2nd, 1 3rd)
Nico Rosberg 29 (3 4th)
Scott Speed 27 (1 2nd)
Kimi Räikkönen 26 (1 win, 2 2nd) BRN
Mark Webber 25 (1 2nd)
Vitantonio Liuzzi 24 (2 5th)
Christian Klien 20 (1 4th)
Robert Kubica 18 (1 win) ITA
Michael Schumacher 16 (1 win, 1 3rd) CHN
Christijan Albers 13 (1 4th)
Ralf Schumacher 12 (1 win) AUS
Jacques Villeneuve 9 (1 4th)
Takuma Sato 8 (1 5th)
Rubens Barrichello 7 (1 3rd)
David Coulthard 7 (1 5th, 1 7th)
Tiago Monteiro 7 (1 5th, 3 8th)
Juan Pablo Montoya 6 (1 3rd)
Yuji Ide 3 (1 6th)
Robert Doornbos 2 (2 8th)

After close start, Massa escapes quickly and takes the title by big margin. Obviously helped by several eliminations for Fisichella.

Australian GP throws the most epic result of the season, as Ralf wins, Scott Speed is second and both Super Aguris in top six (well, no more classified drivers). One interesting thing was that Midland team lost 7th and 8th in Germany due to their disqualification.

by **Shizuka** » 13 Aug 2011, 16:41

2007 is one British rookie's year then, virtually having NO rivals that has all races available.

by **James1978** » 13 Aug 2011, 17:06

In the Elimination Medals Championship which Massa won in 2006, Hamilton won something like 13 races in 2007. That should make 2008 really good in this!

by **Bleu** » 15 Aug 2011, 04:42

2007

Lewis Hamilton 139 (10 wins, 3 2nd, 2 3rd) AUS MAL MON CAN USA FRA GBR HUN ITA JPN
Nick Heidfeld 76 (5 2nd, 4 3rd)
Felipe Massa 73 (3 wins, 3 2nd, 3 3rd) BRN ESP BEL
Robert Kubica 61 (3 2nd, 2 3rd)
Heikki Kovalainen 60 (1 2nd, 1 3rd)
Nico Rosberg 51 (1 win, 2 3rd) BRA
Mark Webber 35 (1 win) EUR
Jarno Trulli 29 (4 4th)
Alexander Wurz 26 (1 2nd, 1 3rd)
Giancarlo Fisichella 24 (1 3rd)
Fernando Alonso 18 (1 win, 1 2nd) TUR
Takuma Sato 14 (1 5th)
Kimi Räikkönen 10 (1 win) CHN
Vitantonio Liuzzi 10 (1 5th)
Sebastian Vettel 9 (1 3rd) 3 points for BMW, 6 for Toro Rosso
Jenson Button 8 (1 4th)
Anthony Davidson 5 (1 7th)
Adrian Sutil 4 (1 5th)
Kazuki Nakajima 4 (1 5th)
David Coulthard 3 (1 7th)
Scott Speed 2 (1 7th)
Sakon Yamamoto 2 (1 7th)

It's close in the beginning since Massa is eligible for the first six races, but then Hamilton just makes the difference as Massa loses lots of races. Surprised to see that neither BMW driver wins a race - instead we see Rosberg and Webber doing so!

by **Shizuka** » 15 Aug 2011, 05:00

2008 - hmm, BOTH Hamilton and Massa got 10 wins.
I'm going to be a bit risky and say Kubica.

by **James1978** » 15 Aug 2011, 06:02

Surely it has to be Kubica with him only out of Monza? (And Heidfeld 2nd probably)

by **Bleu** » 15 Aug 2011, 15:22

2008

Robert Kubica 100 (5 wins, 3 2nd, 1 3rd) MAL BRN MON CAN JPN
Heikki Kovalainen 78 (1 win, 5 2nd, 2 3rd) HUN
Nick Heidfeld 75 (2 wins, 2 2nd, 4 3rd) GBR BEL
Lewis Hamilton 72 (5 wins, 2 2nd, 1 3rd) ESP TUR GER EUR CHN
Sebastian Vettel 53 (2 wins, 1 3rd) ITA BRA
Mark Webber 50 (2 3rd)
Jarno Trulli 48 (1 win, 3 3rd) FRA
Timo Glock 46 (1 2nd, 2 3rd)
Nico Rosberg 34 (1 win, 1 2nd) AUS
Nelsinho Piquet 33 (2 2nd, 1 3rd)
Felipe Massa 30 (2 2nd)
Kazuki Nakajima 23 (1 3rd)
Sebastien Bourdais 12 (1 4th)
Jenson Button 11 (1 4th)
Fernando Alonso 10 (1 win) SIN
David Coulthard 9 (2 6th)
Kimi Räikkönen 4 (1 5th)
Takuma Sato 2 (1 7th)
Rubens Barrichello 1 (1 8th)

Quite a convincing title for Bobby K, but 2nd place battle was interesting to the end. Incredibly, Massa loses all of his real-life wins.

by **Shizuka** » 15 Aug 2011, 16:25

2009 is a no-brainer Jenson. I'm interested how high will Rosberg finish. A 5th place seems possible now.

by **James1978** » 15 Aug 2011, 21:11

I'm amazed how far Hamilton is ahead of Massa considering they'd won the same number of races each before 2008! (Does this mean Massa is more of a specialist at certain tracks?).

Button is still in most of his good races in 2009 (he only loses his Monza podium, all the other races he loses are minor points finishes), so I'll stock with him. Hopefully the Red Bulls will get eliminated for a fair few 2010 races though.

by **James1978** » 15 Aug 2011, 21:12

And I just noticed Kazuki Nakajima on the podium.

by **James1978** » 16 Aug 2011, 21:03

Actually changed my mind about the 2009 champion, now i think on second thoughts it will be Sebastian "The finger" Vettel. He's out of only 2 races, neither of which he was on the podium for, and was only something like 11 points behind Button in real life, think he may well overcome that deficit.

Think Rosberg will be 4th behind the Red Bulls and Button.

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