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by **Aerond** » 15 Jan 2012, 00:21

Warren Hughes wrote:Maybe we could use the email system, but have it as an opt-in, so that we have to specifically ask you to email us with the information and updates we would like. I might also suggest that we could ask for updates by emailing you Aerond, so that you're even less likely to miss them. However, it's your email account, and if you'd rather we didn't that would be fair enough.

To me that seems fine. I don´t have a problem with getting things into my email box, as long as, whenever you send me an e-mail for credit spending, you also post on the F1RWRS thread, at least with the ammount of credits you´re spending, so all members can keep track of the accounting to avoid suspicious practices.

by **Aerond** » 15 Jan 2012, 00:32

Warren Hughes wrote:Responding to an old-ish post:

Aerond wrote:
Warren Hughes wrote:
In the early days of the F1RWRS, we gave Rhys a name, told him what team he drove for, and nothing else was needed. But as Aerond has brought in more involvement for team owners, so team owners need to be kept abreast of all the developments in their team. At the start of the season, I had 80 credits (I think). Having asked for various upgrades on 3 separate occasions, I now have 100 credits (as far as I have been informed). Given that Prospec are yet to score a point and I have only received one race's worth of pay-driver money, I don't see how this could have happened unless Aerond had failed to give me the upgrades I asked for.

Please be aware, Aerond, that I'm not accusing you of anything untoward, but how can we be sure the game is being run fairly when we get no information?

Regarding that, I always update the teams before the next race. So if you ask now for an upgrade, it will be ready for the French round. Now, I may have failed to see your message and not updated your car... I´m human after all.

Any ideas regarding this are more than welcome, as I feel many users want more information on what´s going on with their teams. I don´t know how to implement it anyway.

Maybe we could use the email system, but have it as an opt-in, so that we have to specifically ask you to email us with the information and updates we would like. I might also suggest that we could ask for updates by emailing you Aerond, so that you're even less likely to miss them. However, it's your email account, and if you'd rather we didn't that would be fair enough.

Anyway, I seem to have found what happened to your updates. I applied them when asked, just forgot to discount the credits from your account, so Prospec has in fact 20 credits.

by **Warren Hughes** » 15 Jan 2012, 07:28

Aerond wrote:Anyway, I seem to have found what happened to your updates. I applied them when asked, just forgot to discount the credits from your account, so Prospec has in fact 20 credits.

So now I can be sure I'm just crap because I'm crap. Conspiracy theorists sit down :lol:

by **Stramala** » 19 Jan 2012, 09:43

Today's episode is brought to you by the letter V...

VETO!!!

Only now have I realised what MRT are trying to do. The F2RWRS spec BMW P-87 has more power than any current F1RWRS engine! And no doubt he'll do everything in his power to get that in the back of the MRT chassis next season!

The solution? Have all the team-owners veto any attempts to accept BMW's new engine into the championship.

THIS IS WAR :evil:

Website · by **Wizzie** » 19 Jan 2012, 09:50

kostas22 wrote:Today's episode is brought to you by the letter V...

VETO!!!

Only now have I realised what MRT are trying to do. The F2RWRS spec BMW P-87 has more power than any current F1RWRS engine! And no doubt he'll do everything in his power to get that in the back of the MRT chassis next season!

The solution? Have all the team-owners veto any attempts to accept BMW's new engine into the championship.

THIS IS WAR

Wrong. The engine in the back of the MRT and Dagnall cars this year have more power than the F2RWRS engine. Sunshine's engine nearly matches it for power, MRT WON'T be running the P-87 and Aerond stated after the Monaco Grand Prix (Which I missed thanks to sleeping in yet again) that he has final say over the stats of the P-87 if the application is accepted.

by **Phoenix** » 19 Jan 2012, 09:52

I'm very much looking forward to the turbo ban since our engine is as upgraded as can be.

by **Stramala** » 19 Jan 2012, 09:56

I still don't trust what MRT are up to after finding out who was running the team;

by **Phoenix** » 19 Jan 2012, 09:59

Mr. Lindsay's been drunk again. He's becoming paranoid, like every time he sips something with a drop of alcohol in it.

by **FullMetalJack** » 19 Jan 2012, 10:10

Phoenix wrote:Mr. Lindsay's been drunk again. He's becoming paranoid, like every time he sips something with a drop of alcohol in it.

He thinks he's paranoid

by **Stramala** » 19 Jan 2012, 10:45

redbulljack14 wrote:
Phoenix wrote:Mr. Lindsay's been drunk again. He's becoming paranoid, like every time he sips something with a drop of alcohol in it.

He thinks he's paranoid

I see your so-so offering and raise you this. Who knows, maybe the infinite meth trip is causing the paranoia.

by **FullMetalJack** » 20 Jan 2012, 00:46

kostas22 wrote:
redbulljack14 wrote:
Phoenix wrote:Mr. Lindsay's been drunk again. He's becoming paranoid, like every time he sips something with a drop of alcohol in it.

He thinks he's paranoid

I see your so-so offering and raise you this. Who knows, maybe the infinite meth trip is causing the paranoia.

I was post 'Paranoid' by Black Sabbath instead, but seeing as Shirley Manson from Garbage is Scottish, it fits better.

Website · by **Wizzie** » 23 Jan 2012, 14:22

The F1RTA has done it again. The last meeting proved a success as we negotiated a limit on how many drivers each driver manager can own and allow in the F1RWRS and associated categories. The agenda for the next meeting will be as follows:

1. Amendments to the F2RWRS calender for 2015 and beyond

As it stands, the only concrete change to the calender so far is with the season ending North American races with the first leg Montreal being dropped in exchange for Road America. The F1RWRS Commission are also looking at changing the host of the British race to either Donnington or Oulton Park for 2015 (I would change it to Brands Hatch but I still can't find a GP4 version of the track :cry:

)

by **the Masked Lapwing** » 23 Jan 2012, 14:39

I suggest a race in Australia somewhere. Bathurst if possible. The other two race here, why not the F2?

Website · by **Wizzie** » 23 Jan 2012, 14:40

the Masked Lapwing wrote:I suggest a race in Australia somewhere. Bathurst if possible. The other two race here, why not the F2?

Sadly, there is no GP4 version of Bathurst. However, I can do Adelaide, Melbourne or Phillip Island.

by **eurobrun** » 23 Jan 2012, 14:42

Wizzie wrote:
the Masked Lapwing wrote:I suggest a race in Australia somewhere. Bathurst if possible. The other two race here, why not the F2?

Sadly, there is no GP4 version of Bathurst. However, I can do Adelaide, Melbourne or Phillip Island.

Yes.

by **Shizuka** » 23 Jan 2012, 18:22

eurobrun wrote:
Wizzie wrote:
the Masked Lapwing wrote:I suggest a race in Australia somewhere. Bathurst if possible. The other two race here, why not the F2?

Sadly, there is no GP4 version of Bathurst. However, I can do Adelaide, Melbourne or Phillip Island.

Yes.

Another yes here.

Website · by **Wizzie** » 23 Jan 2012, 18:31

Ok, since I get the feeling that we're basically all in agreement that Adelaide should be on the calender (As the season opener no less), which European round should get the boot in it's place? (As my driver development formula kinda depends on the fact that the calender will remain at 15 races long).

The main reason I brought up the F2RWRS calender was because through sheer dumb luck I found 5 more tracks for GP4 over the weekend (Donnington, Mugello, Kyalami, The Rio oval and "Le Mans Petite Sarthe" which is effectively a shortened version of the Le Sarthe circuit)

by **Shizuka** » 23 Jan 2012, 18:36

Hungaroring. I think our circuit isn't really fitting into the calendar.

Website · by **Wizzie** » 23 Jan 2012, 18:39

Shizuka wrote:Hungaroring. I think our circuit isn't really fitting into the calendar.

I was thinking about dropping Hungary but the races I've done there haven't been THAT bad. But I'll reserve judgement for that until after the next race (Which incidentally is at the Hungaroring).

by **Phoenix** » 23 Jan 2012, 18:41

I'd also like Hungaroring being dropped for another, more exciting, circuit.

by **Klon** » 23 Jan 2012, 20:32

As my driver development formula kinda depends on the fact that the calender will remain at 15 races long).

Well then I guess I can throw my proposal for a reduction of race numbers out of the window

. I for my part would be in favour of having those races on the schedule which are on the F1RWRS schedule as well be actual support races. Otherwise it's just redundant, there is nothing worse than redundancy. As far as the Australian track goes, why not have all series race on Adalaide until the GP4 Bathurst is done?
And one thing: from 2015 onwards, I would like to ask both wizzie and Masked Lapwing to not go ahead with their races: this time clusterbathpluggery is just too complicated.

by **Warren Hughes** » 24 Jan 2012, 03:13

Klon wrote:And one thing: from 2015 onwards, I would like to ask both wizzie and Masked Lapwing to not go ahead with their races: this time clusterbathpluggery is just too complicated.

This. In spades.

by **Klon** » 29 Jan 2012, 23:21

Tropico Grand Prix would like to propose another topic to the next F1RTA meeting:

"Distancing F1RWRS from Formula One"
- Reason: Ever since its inception, the F1RWRS was intended to enter competition against Formula One, which it has done brilliantly. However, our current ruleset really makes F1RWRS nothing more than a cheap 90'ies-F1 knock off with slightly more insane staff. Therefore, Tropico's proposal would be minor modifications of the rules in order to at least appear slightly more unique.

by **JeremyMcClean** » 30 Jan 2012, 04:53

Klon wrote:Tropico Grand Prix would like to propose another topic to the next F1RTA meeting:

"Distancing F1RWRS from Formula One"
- Reason: Ever since its inception, the F1RWRS was intended to enter competition against Formula One, which it has done brilliantly. However, our current ruleset really makes F1RWRS nothing more than a cheap 90'ies-F1 knock off with slightly more insane staff. Therefore, Tropico's proposal would be minor modifications of the rules in order to at least appear slightly more unique.

What would some of these changes include?

by **AndreaModa** » 30 Jan 2012, 06:06

So are we saying the 5 drivers per member, and 1 team per member per series is approved then? There'll have to be some changes for 2015 if this is the case.

As for the F2RWRS calender, I'm not too fussed, I'd just like to see all three series become more integrated with their calenders, and for them to be run simultaneously, so it's far easier to follow. At the moment, whilst I appreciate that TMLW and Wizzie want to run their races when they want, it causes all sorts of problems for team managers trying to shift drivers about.

by **Klon** » 30 Jan 2012, 06:28

JeremyMcClean wrote:What would some of these changes include?

Races run over 320 km instead of 305 km, our Monaco event actually being run over the complete distance, a point for the fastest lap ... whatever we like, admittedly Tropico's proposal goes for "different for the sake of being different", so I'm not insisting on specific changes. As long as something is different, it's fine.

by **Stramala** » 30 Jan 2012, 06:41

AndreaModa wrote:So are we saying the 5 drivers per member, and 1 team per member per series is approved then? There'll have to be some changes for 2015 if this is the case.

As for the F2RWRS calender, I'm not too fussed, I'd just like to see all three series become more integrated with their calenders, and for them to be run simultaneously, so it's far easier to follow. At the moment, whilst I appreciate that TMLW and Wizzie want to run their races when they want, it causes all sorts of problems for team managers trying to shift drivers about.

Continuing on the latter theme, I would suggest actual real dates are published next to race events. It's a nightmare knowing which races conflict and which don't when there is no reference to the crossover points anywhere. It would solve the problem of championships being run at different paces as it would be easier to track changes.

As for drivers, what if I can't find someone willing to take up one of my existing drivers? In the RWRS hierarchy I currently own 6 drivers (7 if you count Koczo, as QuickYoda has vanished from the RWRS threads) so to conform to these rules I need to find another user to pawn off a driver to. The way things are heading I will be dropping Ragnar Larsen from the Scuderia Alitalia Giovanile Squadra anyway, so anyone who wants him can have him if they're nowhere near their 5 driver quota.

Website · by **Wizzie** » 30 Jan 2012, 06:42

AndreaModa wrote:At the moment, whilst I appreciate that TMLW and Wizzie want to run their races when they want, it causes all sorts of problems for team managers trying to shift drivers about.

Aerond actually gave us the go ahead to march forward when I asked after Istanbul because he didn't see too much relevance between the F1RWRS and the other categories. I'm guessing he, like myself, didn't think that you guys would start promoting drivers (read: Pay drivers :lol:

) to the F1RWRS so soon

by **Klon** » 30 Jan 2012, 06:57

kostas22 wrote:As for drivers, what if I can't find someone willing to take up one of my existing drivers? In the RWRS hierarchy I currently own 6 drivers (7 if you count Koczo, as QuickYoda has vanished from the RWRS threads) so to conform to these rules I need to find another user to pawn off a driver to. The way things are heading I will be dropping Ragnar Larsen from the Scuderia Alitalia Giovanile Squadra anyway, so anyone who wants him can have him if they're nowhere near their 5 driver quota.

I presume (and propose) the five driver quota only counts for actually active drivers, i.e. you'd just have to retire one from active driving in the FRWRSs.

by **Stramala** » 30 Jan 2012, 07:18

Klon wrote:
kostas22 wrote:As for drivers, what if I can't find someone willing to take up one of my existing drivers? In the RWRS hierarchy I currently own 6 drivers (7 if you count Koczo, as QuickYoda has vanished from the RWRS threads) so to conform to these rules I need to find another user to pawn off a driver to. The way things are heading I will be dropping Ragnar Larsen from the Scuderia Alitalia Giovanile Squadra anyway, so anyone who wants him can have him if they're nowhere near their 5 driver quota.

I presume (and propose) the five driver quota only counts for actually active drivers, i.e. you'd just have to retire one from active driving in the FRWRSs.

And I will do so if no-one else picks him up in 2015.

by **Warren Hughes** » 01 Feb 2012, 04:11

This is a specific message for AdrianSutil:

By employing Max Torbani, I had no intention of him becoming 'my driver'. That means he is still your driver, which I think means you're set to exceed the 5 driver limit for next season. Especially as he was set for a full-time drive for 2015. If you require me to, I might be willing to 'take him over' as it were, but in general I'm against forum members trading drivers between each other as it not only impacts upon realism (in terms of continuity) but also fails to address the reasons why the 5 driver per member rule was originally suggested.

by **AndreaModa** » 01 Feb 2012, 05:41

Warren Hughes wrote:This is a specific message for AdrianSutil:

By employing Max Torbani, I had no intention of him becoming 'my driver'. That means he is still your driver, which I think means you're set to exceed the 5 driver limit for next season. Especially as he was set for a full-time drive for 2015. If you require me to, I might be willing to 'take him over' as it were, but in general I'm against forum members trading drivers between each other as it not only impacts upon realism (in terms of continuity) but also fails to address the reasons why the 5 driver per member rule was originally suggested.

Absolutely agreed. Driver 'trading' should only exist with the likes of Koczo now being run by Kostas as QuickYoda is no longer here. A member is responsible for all his drivers regardless of whether they drive for your own team or not.

A classic example of this would be Wizzie, who owns both MRT and Daniel Melrose, even though he doesn't drive for the team. Just because you own a team entry, it doesn't give you jurisdiction over what the drivers do or say if they weren't created by you.

I suggest that prior to the 2015 season starting, every member wishing to participate in any of the three series lists their own drivers and teams, so it's entirely transparent with who controls what.

by **AdrianSutil** » 01 Feb 2012, 06:17

Warren Hughes wrote:This is a specific message for AdrianSutil:

By employing Max Torbani, I had no intention of him becoming 'my driver'. That means he is still your driver, which I think means you're set to exceed the 5 driver limit for next season. Especially as he was set for a full-time drive for 2015. If you require me to, I might be willing to 'take him over' as it were, but in general I'm against forum members trading drivers between each other as it not only impacts upon realism (in terms of continuity) but also fails to address the reasons why the 5 driver per member rule was originally suggested.

Totally understand. If it appeared I was 'giving him up' because I no longer employed him with my press releases, then sorry to confuse you. However, I have no intention of ever running him again, so if you want to 'take control' of him then you are more than welcome. I'm trying to sign two drivers belonging to other members for the F1 team next season anyway.

by **Warren Hughes** » 01 Feb 2012, 06:36

AdrianSutil wrote:
Warren Hughes wrote:This is a specific message for AdrianSutil:

By employing Max Torbani, I had no intention of him becoming 'my driver'. That means he is still your driver, which I think means you're set to exceed the 5 driver limit for next season. Especially as he was set for a full-time drive for 2015. If you require me to, I might be willing to 'take him over' as it were, but in general I'm against forum members trading drivers between each other as it not only impacts upon realism (in terms of continuity) but also fails to address the reasons why the 5 driver per member rule was originally suggested.

Totally understand. If it appeared I was 'giving him up' because I no longer employed him with my press releases, then sorry to confuse you. However, I have no intention of ever running him again, so if you want to 'take control' of him then you are more than welcome. I'm trying to sign two drivers belonging to other members for the F1 team next season anyway.

I don't really want to take control of him to be honest, I was just a bit concerned because of how many drivers you have that you would be over the limit.

Website · by **Wizzie** » 01 Feb 2012, 06:50

AndreaModa wrote:
Warren Hughes wrote:This is a specific message for AdrianSutil:

By employing Max Torbani, I had no intention of him becoming 'my driver'. That means he is still your driver, which I think means you're set to exceed the 5 driver limit for next season. Especially as he was set for a full-time drive for 2015. If you require me to, I might be willing to 'take him over' as it were, but in general I'm against forum members trading drivers between each other as it not only impacts upon realism (in terms of continuity) but also fails to address the reasons why the 5 driver per member rule was originally suggested.

Absolutely agreed. Driver 'trading' should only exist with the likes of Koczo now being run by Kostas as QuickYoda is no longer here. A member is responsible for all his drivers regardless of whether they drive for your own team or not.

A classic example of this would be Wizzie, who owns both MRT and Daniel Melrose, even though he doesn't drive for the team. Just because you own a team entry, it doesn't give you jurisdiction over what the drivers do or say if they weren't created by you.

I suggest that prior to the 2015 season starting, every member wishing to participate in any of the three series lists their own drivers and teams, so it's entirely transparent with who controls what.

But the problem I have as stated at a previous meeting is that I effectively own both drivers as Wookey has disappeared for several months now and Dartanian only ever shows up once every three or so races and hasn't posting much if anything in the F1RWRS since 2012.

by **Stramala** » 01 Feb 2012, 07:35

I agree with AndreaModa, all assets controlled by each user should be clearly stated.

As the rule will only kick in at the start of the 2015 season, these will be the drivers under my control;
DRIVERS
Bastiaan van Nieuwenhuijzen
Alessandro Lucarelli
Gianluigi Pazzini
Enrico Molinaro
Lorenzo Crescenzi

I will also control David Koczo, but I would like to appeal for an exception in this case. Before the rule was implemented I was already far above the limit and have attempted to cut back. I was not expecting to end up 'owning' Koczo after signing him up, I did not realise he was created by an inactive user. It's an exceptional circumstance rather than a blatant disregard for the rules. I would like to point out however, that there is still a small problem with this 5 driver rule, as I will have 7 seats to fill. People who don't own teams will have to actively run drivers on the team owners' behalf. This could lead to a driver shortage in future in lower formulae.

This means Nobushige Fukuda will not return to F1RWRS after 2014. Should someone choose to sign him up, they will be responsible for him. The same applies to Ragnar Larsen in F3RWRS.

TEAMS
Scuderia Alitalia (F1RWRS, F2RWRS)
Parma Corse (F3RWRS)

by **DanielPT** » 01 Feb 2012, 08:01

In name of transparency and control here is who I currently own.

DRIVERS
Daniel Martins (F1RWRS)
Catarina Lopes (F2RWRS)
Marie Simon (F2RWRS)
José Maria Cabral (F3RWRS)
João Antonio Soares (Currently sitting out)
Samora Mondlane (F3RWRS)
Marin Anciu (Currently waiting in the wings)

TEAMS
Sunshine Infiniti (F1RWRS)
Licor Beirão (F2RWRS)
Porto Wine (F3RWRS)

Later I will state who will be staying for 2015. I still haven't decided who will be in F3RWRS.

by **This** » 01 Feb 2012, 08:25

Drivers under my control are so-far Ron Mignolet (F1), Gio Van Dycke (F1) Wouter Lamberigts (F2) Dorien Lamberigts (F3) and Kevin Bainomugisha (F3) (Simon Garfünkel will not be used anymore)
I would also like to state that Dennis Mignolet is not interested in F1RWRS, my other drivers in non-related championships are too irrelevant.
Teamnames will be depend on wich championships i will get to start. That will probably be Donkervoort Automobielen vb (F1), RonDen Racing Engineering (as a Donkervoort Junior programme) (F2) and Octan (F3)

by **JeremyMcClean** » 01 Feb 2012, 08:28

Here is my list, which everyone else seems to be using

DRIVERS
Nicolas Steele (F1RWRS)
Andrea Acuri (F1RWRS)
Sebastian Groves (F1RWRS)
Alessandro Marchesi (F2RWRS)
Tommy Nash (F2RWRS)

TEAMS
ArrowTech (F1RWRS) (Shared with Super Aguri)
Acuri (F1RWRS)
Aston Martin (F2RWRS)

No I did not intentionally put all my team names starting with A

And I do not plan bringing back Kekkonen to the F1RWRS (In fact, I've been planning a driver series for quite some time, I just have gotten a bit of real life within the past month)

I also do not plan bringing anything else new

by **AndreaModa** » 01 Feb 2012, 08:46

Wizzie wrote:But the problem I have as stated at a previous meeting is that I effectively own both drivers as Wookey has disappeared for several months now and Dartanian only ever shows up once every three or so races and hasn't posting much if anything in the F1RWRS since 2012.

That's fair enough, I'd say Dartanian does still control Spencer, but obviously Nicolas is a different prospect, much like Koczo for Kostas.

I think we should have an exception to the rule that states that drivers that have had members effectively 'desert' them (eg. Nicolas and Koczo) should not count towards a member's limit, but that a member can only have one of these drivers under their control. For example, if Wizzie had some immediate pressing real-world commitments that prevented him from participating, it's not fair that I as a team owner employing one of his drivers, should be forced to replace him.

Following the start of the 2015 season, I propose that no other retired drivers that have had their members desert them (like the example of Koczo, or Dan BH, or any others that aren't currently racing) can be selected by team managers as a driver for their team. This will prevent abuse of the exception rule above.

Further to reduce the risk of driver shortages in the future, I also propose that the number of drivers allowed to race for each team in the F3RWRS should be reduced from three to two.

And finally, my current list of drivers and teams:

DRIVERS
Sammy Jones (F1RWRS)
Terry Hawkin (F2 and F3RWRS)

TEAMS
Castrol Jones Racing (F1RWRS)
Scuderia Jones Italia (part-owned) (F2RWRS)
Jones Racing (F3RWRS)

I recognise I'm not really pulling my weight so to speak on the driver front currently, but I'll look to rectify that somewhat for 2015 and onwards.

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