The Formula 1 Rejects Teams Association (F1RTA) Thread

[Stramala]

In all seriousness, given a choice I'd pick AndreaModa. Even if his racing alter ego is a complete c**t, I'm sure he's the best choice. We don't need Aerond or TMLW making even MORE decisions on behalf of everyone, I think the F1RTA, to function fully as a teams-led body independent of the F1/F2/F3RWRS Commissions, needs to be run by someone else that is not the Commissionaire of said organisations.

[DanielPT]

I was under this impression also, but I'm equally welcome to allowing others to take the position, should they specifically want to do so. I would point out this however: we need someone, as AdrianSutil said, that is completely clued up on every aspect of all the series. Now this narrows the candidates down significantly, giving us this list of names that have been put forward over the past few days:

Aerond

That would be the same thing as giving the FOTA presidency to Bernie Ecclestone. It would be hilarious!

If I was Aerond, I would be finding your statement kind of offensive

I guess then that my future at F1RWRS will be short lived...

[Aerond]

I guess then that my future at F1RWRS will be short lived...

You can count on it

Bernie would be an excellent FOTA president, of course

[Klon]

Shonan is the ONLY team yet to score a point here, don't forget!)

*cough* Ahem!

Well, let's be taking the pay-driver discussion here. Since compromise is essential in life, here's such a proposal:
- Pay driver cap counts from now onwards
- The cap is 400 credits
- Tropico Grand Prix are the biggest victims of the rule change, so they get a fifth driver without penalty. I don't plan on using him, but it's about making a point.

[Stramala]

- Tropico Grand Prix are the biggest victims of the rule change, so they get a fifth driver without penalty. I don't plan on using him, but it's about making a point.

I'll buy that no penalty clause from you for 20 credits!

[AndreaModa]

I'm assuming we're agreed that I'll take over from Wizzie as leading the debates, seeing as there's been very little opposition to the proposal.

For clarification, the topics currently under discussion are:

Aerond's proposed F1RWRS rule changes involving:
1. A cap on the income generated by pay drivers, to prevent teams running two together to generate as many credits as possible for the following season.

2. Changes to the pre-qualifying cup's credit rewards, to make it less generous and more in line as a bonus for smaller teams, rather than being almost equivalent to the current prize money system used at the end of each season.

We also have under discussion the idea of more than one chassis and engine for use in the F2RWRS.

For now, here is my viewpoint on these issues.

1. I wholeheartedly agree with the cap. A number of team owners (myself included) have made it clear that we don't want to 'play the system' and run pay drivers, even if our teams would be greatly aided by them. There are others who (completely fairly it must be understood) want to maximise the benefits the current system has to offer. Currently a team can generate a total of 640 credits by running two pay drivers for the entire season, and that's before TV money, and other awards and prizes at the end of the year. This is obviously far too much and needs limiting. I think we all agree that the cap in itself is a good idea, however there's been some opposition on when it should be implemented. Having initially advocated an immediate implementation, and having now heard the opposite argument, primarily from Klon, I feel that it's only fair it should be implemented from 2015 onwards. Teams have engineered their seasons around this loophole, and as such, it's unfair to penalise them at this point in the season when it would be too late for them to change things.

Therefore my own proposal is that the cap should be 400 credits (as Klon suggested above), and should be applied from the 2015 season onwards.

2. I also agree with the pre-qualifying cup points system changes so that whilst it still rewards the smaller teams, it's to less of an extent than was originally proposed. Aerond's proposal of 100cr. for the winner, followed by 70cr. for 2nd and 40cr. for 3rd and 20cr. for everyone else who's scored points and competed in at least four rounds of the cup, is in my opinion, absolutely fine. The new TV money deal has largely solved the imbalance between teams at the top and those at the bottom, so the cup needs to only be a small reward as a bonus.

As for the multiple chassis and engine idea for the F2RWRS, I posted my thoughts in the thread there, but for clarity, here they are again:

The point Wizzie raises about the equivalency making it easier to calculate performance files is a valid one. I think we should keep it as it is, with one engine and one chassis in GP4 to keep it easy for Wizzie, but allow a bit of freedom for team owners to 'announce' engine suppliers, and to design their own chassis, even though it will have no effect on the performance of the cars. A bit like 2010-12 era F1RWRS. That way we can have Alitalia running their Lancia engines, Aston Martin having their own programme, etc but for Wizzie and GP4, everything remains the same.

People's thoughts on any of these proposed changes?

[Shizuka]

Copying my post over here then, if it's okay. (Cannot delete it anymore, can I please ask Phoenix to remove it from the F1WRS topic then? Thanks in advance.)

I only have one pay driver and I don't plan to get another one. Why? Because I do not want to abuse this. So if this needs a voting, count Shonan in. (Yeah, one of the slowest teams support a cap that could work AGAINST it.) I don't plan to go and win everything next season, because I'm planning it slowly and steadily. If there's a target for Shonan in 2015, it's to pre-qualify regularly and maybe actually start a race or two, but nothing else!

And on the prequalify cup pricing... well, it would give my team 10 more credit (Shonan is the ONLY team yet to score a point here, don't forget!), but it would hinder the OTHER teams, who scored points already, so I'm NOT going to support it. Sure, it would help my team to close up to the others', but I do not want to be accused of deliberately not caring about the system at all.

Furthermore, yeah, I DID give up this season. That though doesn't mean I'm not reading the commission posts. I just rarely make my voice heard, because frankly, my opinion probably barely counts, but when I want to express my opinions on changes, I'm very likely to post a longer opinion, just like now.

So to wrap up: Yes to the pay-driver cap (I probably will be hated because of this...), and no to the preq pricing (hated even more...)

IF the Prequalify cup pricing WILL get accepted, I'd like to give that extra 10 credits to the team that finishes second last. I'm serious. Since Shonan is a definite contender for RotY, my team will probably earn some credits from this. Therefore, it doesn't really matter if I get 10 or 20 credits from the prequalifications. Sure, it would be nice to see Shonan challenging for points or so, but it can't just go from one season to another. It needs time to improve.

[Stramala]

For F2RWRS, I think there should be a pre-approved process for tender. No application for manufacturer status before the end of 2014, no custom engine. We don't want a different manufacturer for every team now do we? Certainly not in a 'spec' series.

I for one, given the choice, will be running a Dallara-Lancia next season. However I made it perfectly clear since day one that Scuderia Alitalia would be a works Lancia team.

[AndreaModa]

For F2RWRS, I think there should be a pre-approved process for tender. No application for manufacturer status before the end of 2014, no custom engine. We don't want a different manufacturer for every team now do we? Certainly not in a 'spec' series.

I for one, given the choice, will be running a Dallara-Lancia next season. However I made it perfectly clear since day one that Scuderia Alitalia would be a works Lancia team.

No the point I meant was that in the fictional world, it would no longer be a spec series. Teams would be free to go out and seek factory and customer deals for engines and chassis, or build their own, just as 2010-12 F1RWRS era was. This would only come in to effect for the 2015 season though.

The actual mechanics of the game run by Wizzie though would be identical to this year. He would still run all the races with the teams using Lola chassis and BMW engines, to allow him to easily calculate driver performance files.

[MinardiFan95]

My drivers:
Dave Simpson (F1RWRS)
Michael Robertson (F2RWRS)

My teams (as of end of 2014):
"Simpson Motorsports" (Planned F1RWRS team, tentative name)
Gulf M/Power Racing (F2RWRS)
Gulf JCW Juniors (F3RWRS)

I think I'll become more involved with team ownership than with driver management (meaning that I'll stick with just the two drivers that I have at the moment) once I get an F1RWRS entry.

[Nuppiz]

Greetings, members of the F1RTA. My name is Jarno Toivonen, and I am here to represent the newly founded Rejects of LFS series as their main spokesman.

As you may have noticed, the series has already generated considerable interest in the world of motorsports, and many of the current entrants are also connected to your series in one way or another. Therefore, our Commission has decided to ask your opinion on whether or not the series could be considered a part of your Super License requirements. We feel that his could be a great way for young drivers to upkeep their skills if they fall short of a F3RWRS or F2RWRS drive.

We're eagerly awaiting your response.

Sincerely,
Jarno Toivonen, on behalf of the RoLFS commission

[AndreaModa]

So as F1RTA President, let's get this latest debate underway.

Do we think Nuppiz's RoLFS series should count towards F1RWRS superlicence requirements?

It would be considered a junior category, on par with both the F3RWRS and F2RWRS, so it would be a good additional series to have so drivers who find themselves without a drive in another category could move sideways to gain more experience there, and vice versa.

I personally think it's a good idea, although if we are to include it as part of the set-up, we would need to change driver limits per member, and I would tentatively say an increase from 5 to 7 drivers per member should be considered, that way it allows members to run drivers in all the series should they want to.

We'd have to set requirements at a similar level to F3RWRS in my opinion, but what do others feel?

[dr-baker]

I personally think it's a good idea, although if we are to include it as part of the set-up, we would need to change driver limits per member, and I would tentatively say an increase from 5 to 7 drivers per member should be considered, that way it allows members to run drivers in all the series should they want to.

As regards this point, I understand your reasoning but I feel it should be along these lines: "A member may have a maximum of 7 drivers, of which a maximum of 5 in RWRS series, with the rest permitted in the LFS series."

So you could have the existing 5 in RWRS plus 2 in LFS, or 4 plus 3, or possibly 3 in RWRS and 4 in LFS (this should be the limit the other way).

[AndreaModa]

I personally think it's a good idea, although if we are to include it as part of the set-up, we would need to change driver limits per member, and I would tentatively say an increase from 5 to 7 drivers per member should be considered, that way it allows members to run drivers in all the series should they want to.

As regards this point, I understand your reasoning but I feel it should be along these lines: "A member may have a maximum of 7 drivers, of which a maximum of 5 in RWRS series, with the rest permitted in the LFS series."

So you could have the existing 5 in RWRS plus 2 in LFS, or 4 plus 3, or possibly 3 in RWRS and 4 in LFS (this should be the limit the other way).

That's an excellent point, and I completely agree. So my previous proposal is changed so that the driver regulations should be:

Each member may have a total of 7 drivers, of which:
No more than 5 can be in the combined RWRS series,
And no more than 4 can be in the RoLFS series.
(Any combination between these limits is permitted)

[Klon]

Wouldn't that lead us down a slippery slope where every virtual series cuts it as a feeder series. Not that I mind, just wanting to point it out.

[Wizzie]

But, once you think about it, the F1RWRS is the pinnacle of the F1R world.

I'm all for including them with the same criteria as the Big Car championship used to have but I for the life of me cannot understand why they need to be included under the driver limit

[AndreaModa]

I'm all for including them with the same criteria as the Big Car championship used to have but I for the life of me cannot understand why they need to be included under the driver limit

I suppose if we were to maintain the 5 driver limit in the F1, 2 and 3RWRS, as we would under dr-baker's proposal, then there would be no need for the additional cap for the RoLFS.

[Nuppiz]

So, have you reached a decision in the matter?

[SuperAguri]

So, have you reached a decision in the matter?

Does Bernie think he has enough money?

[AndreaModa]

Well seeing as no-one has posted any counter arguments against the proposal, let alone any legitimate ones, then yes I can confirm it's passed!

Secondly, since no-one has raised any objections to the cap on pay-driver-earnt credits, a cap of 400 credits per season will be enforced from the 2015 season onwards.

And finally, the pre-qualifying cup format: Aerond's proposal of 100cr. for the winner, followed by 70cr. for 2nd and 40cr. for 3rd and 20cr. for everyone else who's scored points and competed in at least four rounds of the cup, is to be the reward for the 2014 season onwards.

Any problems with these new rules should have been raised prior to now. As such, the decisions here are final.

[SuperAguri]

We still need to have the rules and entries of all the three main FxRWRS series stickied on a single thread so they can be read by everyone in one easy place. Rather then having them on Page 21 of the current series... The page should also be locked so only a moderator can edit it so it doesn't fill up with thousands of posts with changes and questions (as these should be on the series in question).

[Stramala]

Scuderia Alitalia S.p.A. would like to a request a temporary one year exception to the 5 driver rule. We made a deliberate and concerted effort to reduce our squad size for 2015 by only running three of our own drivers in junior formulae under the Scuderia Alitalia and Parma Corse banners, along with David Koczo in F1RWRS. However, our high quality young driver academy has attracted interest from other teams and as such they have signed up many of the drivers under our Giovanile Squadra for their F2RWRS and F3RWRS programmes. While Pazzini should not be an exception, as he was used as part of a technical partnership with RonDen Racing Engineering, Hydook drivers Enrico Molinaro and Carsten Jancker were not intended to be part of our plans for the Reject World Race Series, but accepted offers from the aforementioned team. We would request the 5 driver limit is excluded from our team, as we are not directly running all seven drivers and did not actively seek any of these drives. We do not wish to punish the drivers for their ingenuity in securing these contracts, nor the team that contracted them for hiring two drivers under our remit.

We would like to point out we made a serious effort beforehand to reduce numbers in the Reject World Race Series. Former RWRS drivers Ragnar Larsen and Carsten Jancker were both contracted for 2015 in the Rejects of LFS, however that has now changed due to the Jancker to Hydook deal.

[AndreaModa]

I see the problem, and the difficulty has arisen because the RoLFS has only just kicked off, when in 'reality' it would be running parallel to the F3RWRS and everything else.

As far as Koczo is concerned, I'm prepared to turn a blind eye to him because although he's been brought back by you, he is ultimately QuickYoda's driver, and he does still frequent the forums, albeit not the F1RWRS thread.

That still leaves you with 6 drivers overall though if I'm correct. As F1RTA President, I'm happy for you to run the remaining 6 drivers for 2015, but on no condition can this be allowed to continue. This is an exception to the rule and will not permit anyone else to do the same. The limit is 5 drivers per member for a reason, and as such will remain. Upon the conclusion of the 2015 season, at least one of your drivers must be 'transferred' to another member, or retired immediately. Any offers made to a driver that will be retired must be turned down, and a similar excuse cannot be made two years in a row.

I'm aware that the 5 driver limit may present us with problems in the future, at which point the matter will be addressed accordingly. Until then however, the 5 driver limit per member remains in force.

Apologies for the firm nature of the response, but rules are there to be followed. I will be lenient to a point, hence me granting you permission to run 6 drivers for 2015, but as soon as people start to take the piss, be warned, I'll not feel so generous. I appreciate it's just a game at the end of the day, and I'd be the first to point that out in any argument, but without properly enforced rules, it'll all go down the drain.

Anyone who would like to raise a problem with this solution, please do so below. I'd be keen to know others' viewpoints on the matter.

[Warren Hughes]

I see the problem, and the difficulty has arisen because the RoLFS has only just kicked off, when in 'reality' it would be running parallel to the F3RWRS and everything else.

As far as Koczo is concerned, I'm prepared to turn a blind eye to him because although he's been brought back by you, he is ultimately QuickYoda's driver, and he does still frequent the forums, albeit not the F1RWRS thread.

That still leaves you with 6 drivers overall though if I'm correct. As F1RTA President, I'm happy for you to run the remaining 6 drivers for 2015, but on no condition can this be allowed to continue. This is an exception to the rule and will not permit anyone else to do the same. The limit is 5 drivers per member for a reason, and as such will remain. Upon the conclusion of the 2015 season, at least one of your drivers must be 'transferred' to another member, or retired immediately. Any offers made to a driver that will be retired must be turned down, and a similar excuse cannot be made two years in a row.

I'm aware that the 5 driver limit may present us with problems in the future, at which point the matter will be addressed accordingly. Until then however, the 5 driver limit per member remains in force.

Apologies for the firm nature of the response, but rules are there to be followed. I will be lenient to a point, hence me granting you permission to run 6 drivers for 2015, but as soon as people start to take the piss, be warned, I'll not feel so generous. I appreciate it's just a game at the end of the day, and I'd be the first to point that out in any argument, but without properly enforced rules, it'll all go down the drain.

Anyone who would like to raise a problem with this solution, please do so below. I'd be keen to know others' viewpoints on the matter.

I agree with every single word of this.

[SuperAguri]

I currently have an F3 team with no drivers as I have 5 drivers on my books as such (Barii Mori, Shinobu Katayama in F1R; Rosco Vantini currently F2R but wanting and likely to get into F1R, Yuko Katayama F2R and Prince Saeed Al Faisal inherited from Dave McFastes team but unemployed and looking). So I have an entry but no drivers

We do need a list of drivers and teams that each user has so we can work out what is what. It is currently impossible to work out what drivers are active or removed and what drivers are still alive but the person who created them have moved on...

[Nuppiz]

Would it be possible for someone, e.g. me, to take over someone else's driver(s)? I currently have only one driver under my control (Nurmester), but if I've got the correct assumption on what driver management is in the RWRS series, ie. writing a few comments about the race results and "negotiating" contracts, I wouldn't mind lightening the load of a few managers. But this has to be limited somehow, otherwise people might get over-excited and create new drivers in hopes of dumping them to someone else who's still got room.

[Klon]

I currently have an F3 team with no drivers...

You can have one of the drivers I offered in the F2RWRS thread.

Nuppiz, I think it is possible since it has been done a few times. As far as limiting that process goes, I propose that only "established" (I use the inverted commas there because my definition of established in this context means drivers that have been present in the F1R world before) drivers can be handed over, e.g. I could give Nuppiz Renaldo Jimenez but not Kevin Maier.

[AndreaModa]

Would it be possible for someone, e.g. me, to take over someone else's driver(s)? I currently have only one driver under my control (Nurmester), but if I've got the correct assumption on what driver management is in the RWRS series, ie. writing a few comments about the race results and "negotiating" contracts, I wouldn't mind lightening the load of a few managers. But this has to be limited somehow, otherwise people might get over-excited and create new drivers in hopes of dumping them to someone else who's still got room.

Absolutely. The limit is 5 drivers per member, so should someone like SuperAguri want to transfer a driver or two to someone else, they're more than welcome to.

This should be made explicitly clear to everyone however in the relevant thread, to avoid confusion.

[Klon]

Oi, while our F1RTA boss happens to be online - I have raised the point about differenting F1RWRS from Formula One a few pages ago and would like to have that adressed some time. Should I work out a full proposal and post it once we are done with the whole "drivers per user" issue?

[AndreaModa]

Tropico Grand Prix would like to propose another topic to the next F1RTA meeting:

"Distancing F1RWRS from Formula One"
- Reason: Ever since its inception, the F1RWRS was intended to enter competition against Formula One, which it has done brilliantly. However, our current ruleset really makes F1RWRS nothing more than a cheap 90'ies-F1 knock off with slightly more insane staff. Therefore, Tropico's proposal would be minor modifications of the rules in order to at least appear slightly more unique.

I presume that's this proposal here?

I agree in principal, but ultimately the chassis and engine lists are getting more varied each season, so really it's only the fact that Aerond is simulating through GP2 that gives the appearance of 90's F1. If you'd like to raise more specific proposal or changes, then I'd be more than willing to discuss them.

[dr-baker]

Would it be possible for someone, e.g. me, to take over someone else's driver(s)? I currently have only one driver under my control (Nurmester), but if I've got the correct assumption on what driver management is in the RWRS series, ie. writing a few comments about the race results and "negotiating" contracts, I wouldn't mind lightening the load of a few managers. But this has to be limited somehow, otherwise people might get over-excited and create new drivers in hopes of dumping them to someone else who's still got room.

I have just created a thread to hopefully make all this more explicit and people can see who's doing what with which drivers.

[Phoenix]

I've just read the F3RWRS rules, and I've found out that I'm a driver above the permitted maximum number of drivers, which is five (5). I don't really like this rule, because I think six (6) drivers are still a reasonable amount and I don't know if replacement drivers offered by other forum members would count for that total. At any rate, which of my drivers would be eligible to contest both F2RWRS and F3RWRS? If there are no eligible drivers from my own ones, does someone have an unemployed driver?

[Klon]

My proposal is mainly of decorative nature and may seem petty in some parts, but I really would prefer these things to be this way:

- A F1RWRS race is to be either 320 km (almost = 200 miles, therefore not a random number) (emphasising reliability a bit more) or 250 km total distance (emphasising performance a bit more).
- A F1RWRS race has no time limit (this is only a formality, it won't change anything).
- The F1RWRS Monaco Grand Prix will have this distance as well, i.e. not 78 laps but either 96 or 75 laps. Now you may point to the chaos of 2014, but since not every race in Monaco will be a rainy chaos, I don't think it will be an issue in the long run, should we go with the longer race length
- F1RWRS Grands Prix on tracks that are not long enough to make full distance with less than 100 laps will go over a distance of 30 laps - this is a flashback to the original F1RWRS seasons under TMLW.
- There is to be a Nations Cup where every country that had entered more than one driver during any race of the season enters automaticly. The winner of said Nations Cup would be the country with the highest points average.


I was considering adding points for FLAP or Pole Position, but that would only help a few number of drivers due to GP2's nature.

[Aerond]

My proposal is mainly of decorative nature and may seem petty in some parts, but I really would prefer these things to be this way:

- A F1RWRS race is to be either 320 km (almost = 200 miles, therefore not a random number) (emphasising reliability a bit more) or 250 km total distance (emphasising performance a bit more).
- A F1RWRS race has no time limit (this is only a formality, it won't change anything).
- The F1RWRS Monaco Grand Prix will have this distance as well, i.e. not 78 laps but either 96 or 75 laps. Now you may point to the chaos of 2014, but since not every race in Monaco will be a rainy chaos, I don't think it will be an issue in the long run, should we go with the longer race length
- F1RWRS Grands Prix on tracks that are not long enough to make full distance with less than 100 laps will go over a distance of 30 laps - this is a flashback to the original F1RWRS seasons under TMLW.
- There is to be a Nations Cup where every country that had entered more than one driver during any race of the season enters automaticly. The winner of said Nations Cup would be the country with the highest points average.


I was considering adding points for FLAP or Pole Position, but that would only help a few number of drivers due to GP2's nature.

- 305 kms is fine with me, but if you want to change it to have a more "distinctive" distance I´d go for the 320 kms format, as, as we´ve seen, things usually happen in the last few laps of a race, but as I said, the current race distance is good to me.
- Agreed with this
- Agreed too, the Monaco race should have the same distance as the others.
- 99 laps is the limit to keep things "safe" when running Gp2, so no race should be pushed beyond 99 laps, so races should be either 320kms or 99 laps in case you can´t cover.
- I´m ok with that, as long as somebody takes care of it and it´s just for fun.

[Klon]

- 305 kms is fine with me, but if you want to change it to have a more "distinctive" distance I´d go for the 320 kms format, as, as we´ve seen, things usually happen in the last few laps of a race, but as I said, the current race distance is good to me.

Yeah, it'd like the 320 better since it's just ... slightly more unique. I know, I know, arguing about 15 km more or less really isn't worth the time it takes, but - meh, currently, no courses are going at my university so I ain't got nothing better to do.

- Agreed with this

That's good.

- Agreed too, the Monaco race should have the same distance as the others.

That's good as well.

- 99 laps is the limit to keep things "safe" when running Gp2, so no race should be pushed beyond 99 laps, so races should be either 320kms or 99 laps in case you can´t cover.

Technically that limit is 124 (although I openly admit I don't know how these 124 laps work with GP2Lap, since I'Ve never gotten it to work properly), but 99 laps is fine. Just proposed the 30 laps to make a connection to F1RWRS' past, but it's not so important to me really, let's go with that the way it is.

- I´m ok with that, as long as somebody takes care of it and it´s just for fun.

I would not mind doing it, I think we could make it a charity thingy.

[Wizzie]

- 99 laps is the limit to keep things "safe" when running Gp2, so no race should be pushed beyond 99 laps, so races should be either 320kms or 99 laps in case you can´t cover.

Technically that limit is 124 (although I openly admit I don't know how these 124 laps work with GP2Lap, since I'Ve never gotten it to work properly), but 99 laps is fine. Just proposed the 30 laps to make a connection to F1RWRS' past, but it's not so important to me really, let's go with that the way it is.

But 30 laps at the Norisring would be over in like 20 minutes and there'd be tens of millions of fans around the world pissed off at you for proposing that change

[tristan1117]

From the other thread.

As far as I'm concerned, it's one team per member per series, and 5 drivers over the whole RWRS.

SuperAguri is relinquishing control of Sunshine because of this rule. I don't see how hard it is for anyone else to do a similar thing. I'm not accusing anyone of foul play, I just want to see as many people as possible given the chance to enter a team and stand a chance of being competitive. If we take either HRT or GRM and either ArrowTech or Acuri out of the field, how many times would Mitie, Mecha and Dofasco have raced? Hell even Shonan might have made qualifying a few times.

Unless someone can come up with a very good excuse for allowing members to run two teams in a single series, I'm afraid my position is final. This also includes Aerond, because I really think it's quite unfair that regularly contributing members are continually shafted at the back of the grid because slots further up are filled with members' second teams.

Remember, it's only a game, and if it's not fun for people then why are they taking part? I've already seen enough evidence this year of members with teams towards the back not really enjoying things, and that's not fair. We either have the same rules for everyone, or it goes out of the window. I appreciate that I've granted Kostas22 an exception to the 5 driver limit for the 2015 season, but the circumstances were exceptional, and I've since given a warning that I won't accept any further such incidents, and that includes multiple teams.

Now, any further discussion on this matter can be taken over to the F1RTA thread please, so we don't clutter this one up. Thanks.

Why don't we have a breakaway series for all the second teams. We could call it Formula Elaborate Bluff...

[Nuppiz]

Why don't we have a breakaway series for all the second teams. We could call it Formula Elaborate Bluff...

RoLFS is always open to entries, the 20 cars limit only applies in the races...

[AdrianSutil]

I still think there should be no more entires for the 2015 season, allowing the smaller teams a chance for regular races before allowing new teams into F1RWRS the following year.

But that's just my opinion.

[AndreaModa]

I'm not going to join either side of that argument, because I feel that Aerond, who runs the races for us all, should have ultimate discretion over how many teams he wants to be entered.