F3RWRS - Yet another feeder series

[SuperAguri]

Prince Falik comes to gentlemans agreement with Sammy Jones

Prince Falik stepped into his teams row over Josh Carlisle and reached an agreement with Sammy Jones agreeing to test the Zytek engine for his team and Prince Falik having an option on Josh Carlisle for the 2016 season if he wants to join F2RWRS. Prince Falik also sacked a lot of management after his teams poor performance, saying "These guys could not give away cans of Special Brew to thirsty tramps, so I have had a clean out and have employed ex Sunshine Principal Shinji Zanmai to run the F2RWRS and F3RWRS teams. I am happy me and Sammy [Jones] could come to an agreement as he is a nice guy, one of the nicest in the sport, yes, yes, yes.".

Prince Falik does have a Driver shortage problem but he is looking around at drivers for the F3 team and he hopes to confirm some soon.

[Shizuka]

Falik Arrows Juniors
(same numbers or position numbers if possible, else 87/88 or 97/98)
Zytek F3C15 Chassis
Zytek ZT288 Engine

Drivers to be confirmed.

#87 and #88 are taken by me.
edit: quoting fixed

[Klon]

Well, here's the story. I would like to keep Tomo Kazama in F3RWRS for another season. However, the question would be if there is any advantage in doing so. Because even when Kazama fails to make the jump properly, she gets additional grip for the F1RWRS debut. Is there something on the table for staying in F3RWRS?

[the Masked Lapwing]

Well, here's the story. I would like to keep Tomo Kazama in F3RWRS for another season. However, the question would be if there is any advantage in doing so. Because even when Kazama fails to make the jump properly, she gets additional grip for the F1RWRS debut. Is there something on the table for staying in F3RWRS?

Well, now that I'm using GP4 it means that driver performance is now not as random, so she'll benefit properly from being champion, as will the other front running drivers. How she does in the championship will probably depend a lot on what engine Prospec chooses. Which reminds me.

Here are the current engines that are in use for this year. Like the F1RWRS, higher power number and lower reliability number = better engine. This is what I've got so far. If anyone wants to complain about the crapness of their engines (and I'm willing to bet This won't be pleased with Geely), then I'll probably fix it - I've got a 10 second field spread right now, so there's room for improvement.

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ENGINE        POWER     RELIA.

Audi          355        1000
BMW           370        4000
Daihatsu      310        2500
Fiat          325         500
Geely         300        5500
Holden        385        7000
Lancia        370        6000
Mini          370        4000
Mugen-Honda   400       10000
Zytek         340        5500

Oh, and when Wizzie finds me the template again, we can start getting liveries going.

[Warren Hughes]

Thanks for posting that TMLW, part of the reason I hadn't picked an engine was because I didn't want to go in blind, as it were. Now I've seen the stats:

If you want an engine for Prospec

the Lancia 015/3 JTS...

I would like to take up this offer please Kostas.

[This]

Come on, the Geely-engine is built by Volvo, they can't be that rejectful?
at least make the thing reliable!

[AndreaModa]

MRT to provide support for second team
Melrose Racing Team is expected to provide support for a second team in the F3RWRS with the team signing a deal with Christopherson Racing as part of a multi-lateral agreement with MRT/JLD, Christopherson and Jones Racing. Under the terms of the deal, JLD will provide one car for Christopherson's son Jack Jr to drive in the F3RWRS in exchange for the team's proposed second entry to become JLD's #75 car. Then, in 2015, Jones Racing will provide the chassis for all 3 teams with plans for MRT's engine workshop to provide engines for all 3 teams.

"The F3RWRS provides a fantastic opportunity for young drivers to prove their worth and this deal will ensure that these drivers will have a competitive package to prove their worth." Said MRT technical director Willy Rampf. When asked about whether this deal could extend to the F2RWRS or even the F1RWRS Rampf replied "For now there are no intentions for the deal to extend beyond the F3RWRS but the option is still open if either Sammy Jones or Jack Christopherson want to take it up."

Is this still going ahead Wizzie? Because I'm interested in taking up your offer of BMW F31/5 engines for this season at the very least. If you are still interested also, Jones Racing can supply JLD, and Christopherson too if need be, with the latest JR-301 chassis and enough spare parts as required in return.

Because...

Jones Turns Down Zytek Engines Following Test
Following a test session carried out by Jones Racing at Silverstone today, team owner Sammy Jones has declined the offer of Zytek engines from fellow F3RWRS entrant Falik Arrows Juniors. The test came about following an agreement between Jones and Prince Falik over Jones' recently signed driver Josh Carlisle. Josh drove for Falik in the final two rounds of the 2014 season, and since moved to Jones Racing for 2015, breaking a clause in his contract that stated Falik had the option to retain him at his own team. The agreement reached ensures Falik now has a guaranteed first option on Carlisle should he choose to promote him to the F2RWRS for the 2016 season, as well as Jones and his team agreeing to test the Zytek engines that Falik's team will use this year. Ultimately however, with Terry Hawkin at the wheel, Jones remained ambivalent to the engines, and pointed out a previous agreement with Daniel Melrose's JLD/MRT organisation to run BMW engines in return for supplying JLD with Jones Racing's latest chassis, the JR-301.

"We're glad to have the issue over Josh resolved" explained Jones at Silverstone, "it was getting a bit protracted so to come to this agreement was in the best interests of everyone. We've had Terry run the Zytek engine today doing both qualifying runs and a race simulation, and have come to the conclusion that we'd prefer to honour our previous agreement with MRT/JLD. That means we'll replace our existing supply with Volkswagen to run instead with a supply of MRT's tuned BMW units, and in return, JLD have the option to use our Jones JR-301 chassis for the whole of the 2015 season.

Therefore should everything be correct, Jones Racing will use their JR-301 chassis and BMW F31/5 engines!

[Wizzie]

I honestly forgot about that but I guess that works too

[Klon]

Well, here's the story. I would like to keep Tomo Kazama in F3RWRS for another season. However, the question would be if there is any advantage in doing so. Because even when Kazama fails to make the jump properly, she gets additional grip for the F1RWRS debut. Is there something on the table for staying in F3RWRS?

Well, now that I'm using GP4 it means that driver performance is now not as random, so she'll benefit properly from being champion, as will the other front running drivers. How she does in the championship will probably depend a lot on what engine Prospec chooses. Which reminds me.

Well, that was not what I meant. I mean F2RWRS drivers get additional driver grip when they debut in F1RWRS, that is what I am talking about. Will that happen here?

[the Masked Lapwing]

Well, here's the story. I would like to keep Tomo Kazama in F3RWRS for another season. However, the question would be if there is any advantage in doing so. Because even when Kazama fails to make the jump properly, she gets additional grip for the F1RWRS debut. Is there something on the table for staying in F3RWRS?

Well, now that I'm using GP4 it means that driver performance is now not as random, so she'll benefit properly from being champion, as will the other front running drivers. How she does in the championship will probably depend a lot on what engine Prospec chooses. Which reminds me.

Well, that was not what I meant. I mean F2RWRS drivers get additional driver grip when they debut in F1RWRS, that is what I am talking about. Will that happen here?

I assume so, but you'd have to ask Aerond about that.


Also, I increased the reliability of the Geely engines, because I admit it was mean making them so crap

[Wizzie]

Well, now that I'm using GP4 it means that driver performance is now not as random, so she'll benefit properly from being champion, as will the other front running drivers. How she does in the championship will probably depend a lot on what engine Prospec chooses. Which reminds me.

Well, that was not what I meant. I mean F2RWRS drivers get additional driver grip when they debut in F1RWRS, that is what I am talking about. Will that happen here?

I assume so, but you'd have to ask Aerond about that.


Also, I increased the reliability of the Geely engines, because I admit it was mean making them so crap

Aerond gave me the greenlight to do it in the F2RWRS (Whether he'll actually remember to implement it for the drivers making the step up is another matter entirely ) so I'd imagine it shouldn't take too much convincing for him to allow you to do the same in the F3RWRS. I already figured out for the F3RWRS that 3 points per event for the first year (or first 10 events when applicable) and 1 point per event for the next year (or 10 events) which equals 40 points over 2 years based on this year's calender should do the trick quite nicely.

[Klon]

This is what I've got so far. If anyone wants to complain about the crapness of their engines (and I'm willing to bet This won't be pleased with Geely), then I'll probably fix it - I've got a 10 second field spread right now, so there's room for improvement.

Well, I don't want to complain about crapness of specific engines, I just feel like pointing out that the reliability won't have such an effect as it does in F1RWRS (and F2RWRS by an extent) since the races are just too short. At least that's the case in GP2 (see the F1RWRS Norisring race), if that's not true you may disregard my objection otherwise I think the performances should be a bit closer.

[Shizuka]

Shonan's livery? Plain black, with a Geely logo on sidepods. Nothing else.

[Stramala]

I find it odd Lancia has the most powerful F2RWRS engine and one of the least powerful F3RWRS engines. I would rather you switched the Lancia engine's focus to slightly more power over reliability to keep the 015/3 L4 engine in line with the 015/2 V8.

[DanielPT]

Hennessey and Daihatsu's "310 bhp? That's a laugh!"

And they promptly made their statement mounting a Dynamometer outside F3RWRS headquarters and proving their point with a "friggin' 410 bhp, pal! Hell yeah!". The proceedings then followed with a picnic in the garden placed in face of the F3RWRS building where John Hennessey said that he could only believe that someone had misread the values when tested the engines. And to emphasise this they asked permission, which some nutcase accepted, to improvise a circuit and do a race between two Porto Wine cars, one with the old engine and other with the new one. Just before the neighbours could call the Police, the new engine expired and a very angry Hennessey claiming " I said nothin' about reliability! Now, get the bathplug out of here". It was a crazy day...

[Pointrox]

Hydook signs Jancker
Carsten Jancker is going to contest this year's F3RWRS season. He and Hydook Racing agreed upon cooperating in 2015 and so, the German will contest his first full season on the grid of the planet's most competitive young-gun series.

Anton Bosevic, team principal: "I think that our driver line-up for the forthcoming F3RWRS season - Branko Ristic and Carsten Jancker - will be one of the most competitive ones on the grid."

[Stramala]

I am vewy zuwpwized by ze attention Hydook has given me, actuawwy. I am vewy happy to be here with Hydook in the 2015 F3RWRS, and it iz my hope we can devewop the car and have a competitive season. Also I will say thank you to Scudewia Awitawia for letting me take zis oppowtunity zat was offered to me even though I was intended to wace with them in ze Wejects of LFS.

See what i did there?

[Nuppiz]

I am vewy zuwpwized by ze attention Hydook has given me, actuawwy. I am vewy happy to be here with Hydook in the 2015 F3RWRS, and it iz my hope we can devewop the car and have a competitive season. Also I will say thank you to Scudewia Awitawia for letting me take zis oppowtunity zat was offered to me even though I was intended to wace with them in ze Wejects of LFS.

See what i did there?

Well, given that RoLFS is still in it's 2014 season, I see no reason why Jancker couldn't race there at least until the 2015 F3RWRS season starts.

Nice accent BTW

[Stramala]

I am vewy zuwpwized by ze attention Hydook has given me, actuawwy. I am vewy happy to be here with Hydook in the 2015 F3RWRS, and it iz my hope we can devewop the car and have a competitive season. Also I will say thank you to Scudewia Awitawia for letting me take zis oppowtunity zat was offered to me even though I was intended to wace with them in ze Wejects of LFS.

See what i did there?

Well, given that RoLFS is still in it's 2014 season, I see no reason why Jancker couldn't race there at least until the 2015 F3RWRS season starts.

Nice accent BTW

I was aware of that, but I wasn't really planning on promoting Jancker any time soon as I'm now a bit screwed vis-a-vis F1RTA regs. With David Koczo now seemingly under my control in F1RWRS, Bastiaan van Nieuwenhuijzen at my F2RWRS team, Gigi Pazzini at RonDen Zastava F2RWRS, Enrico Molinaro at Hydook F2RWRS Racing, Alessandro Lucarelli and Lorenzo Crescenzi at Parma Corse F3RWRS, and now Carsten Jancker at Hydook F3RWRS Racing. That leaves me two drivers above the 5 driver limit. I'll head over to the F1RTA thread and try and talk my way into an exception.

[AndreaModa]

Could I direct people's attention to the recently written rules and regulations page for the F3RWRS.

http://f1alternate.wikkii.com/wiki/Formula_3_Rejects_World_Race_Series_regulations

It's probably missing a few things, which I'd be grateful if people could add if they do spot something.

Please familiarise yourself with them, especially the penalty system, because then you won't get a nasty surprise mid-way through the year if something happens!

[AdrianSutil]

Could I direct people's attention to the recently written rules and regulations page for the F3RWRS.

http://f1alternate.wikkii.com/wiki/Formula_3_Rejects_World_Race_Series_regulations

It's probably missing a few things, which I'd be grateful if people could add if they do spot something.

Please familiarise yourself with them, especially the penalty system, because then you won't get a nasty surprise mid-way through the year if something happens!

I assume the higher the reliability points for an engine, the more unreliable it is?

[This]

well that's not much..., Geely should at least be slightly competitive with Daihatsu, in my opinion, as Geely has better funds!

There goes my championship aspirations Let's hope my drivers have enough talent...

[AndreaModa]

Could I direct people's attention to the recently written rules and regulations page for the F3RWRS.

http://f1alternate.wikkii.com/wiki/Formula_3_Rejects_World_Race_Series_regulations

It's probably missing a few things, which I'd be grateful if people could add if they do spot something.

Please familiarise yourself with them, especially the penalty system, because then you won't get a nasty surprise mid-way through the year if something happens!

I assume the higher the reliability points for an engine, the more unreliable it is?

That's correct, exactly the same as in the F1RWRS.

I do feel it's a bit unfair that teams' engines have been arbitrarily assigned power and reliability values without the consultation of any team owners. If we're going to start to introduce aspects like engine choice a la F1RWRS, then it would be better to either make them much closer as Wizzie has done for the F2RWRS, or assign credit values to the engines, and do it that way so people could spend more for a faster, more reliable engine, or less for a worse one. It'll add to the complication, but at least then members have control over their own team's destiny.

[DanielPT]

That's correct, exactly the same as in the F1RWRS.

I do feel it's a bit unfair that teams' engines have been arbitrarily assigned power and reliability values without the consultation of any team owners. If we're going to start to introduce aspects like engine choice a la F1RWRS, then it would be better to either make them much closer as Wizzie has done for the F2RWRS, or assign credit values to the engines, and do it that way so people could spend more for a faster, more reliable engine, or less for a worse one. It'll add to the complication, but at least then members have control over their own team's destiny.

Yep. Daihatsu has been saddled with a lump which cannot improve and so the team will be relegated to the very back of the grid for the next season. If improvement for 2016 will come from results, then there is not much hope since the difference in performance is so big that I expect it will be a miracle to achieve qualification. I know that Daihatsu doesn't have a racing pedigree nor it is very famous manufacturer and it is a bit in the doldrums in reality, but I expected a to be given a chance of building a new destiny in this virtual world... Oh well, we would not want the game too easy anyway!

[AdrianSutil]

In that case, Mitie Aviation will take the Holden engines (I see a future partnership here) for 2015.

[The Lukas]

Dofasco Junior Racing will take the Mini engines for 2015.

[Wizzie]

That's correct, exactly the same as in the F1RWRS.

I do feel it's a bit unfair that teams' engines have been arbitrarily assigned power and reliability values without the consultation of any team owners. If we're going to start to introduce aspects like engine choice a la F1RWRS, then it would be better to either make them much closer as Wizzie has done for the F2RWRS, or assign credit values to the engines, and do it that way so people could spend more for a faster, more reliable engine, or less for a worse one. It'll add to the complication, but at least then members have control over their own team's destiny.

Yep. Daihatsu has been saddled with a lump which cannot improve and so the team will be relegated to the very back of the grid for the next season. If improvement for 2016 will come from results, then there is not much hope since the difference in performance is so great that I expect it will be a miracle to achieve qualification. I know that Daihatsu doesn't have a racing pedigree nor it is very famous manufacturer and it is a bit in the doldrums in reality, but I expected a to be given a chance of building a new destiny in this virtual world... Oh well, we would not want the game too easy anyway!

Man oh man oh man... I knew I should have given Rhys the program I use to calculate performance files when I found out just then on a 1:40 lap, the difference between 400bhp and 300bhp is in the region of 13 seconds a lap. For comparison, a 100bhp gap in the F2RWRS would only be about 1.5-2 seconds a lap at most.

[the Masked Lapwing]

That's correct, exactly the same as in the F1RWRS.

I do feel it's a bit unfair that teams' engines have been arbitrarily assigned power and reliability values without the consultation of any team owners. If we're going to start to introduce aspects like engine choice a la F1RWRS, then it would be better to either make them much closer as Wizzie has done for the F2RWRS, or assign credit values to the engines, and do it that way so people could spend more for a faster, more reliable engine, or less for a worse one. It'll add to the complication, but at least then members have control over their own team's destiny.

Who said I wasn't going to improve the engines over the year? What I was going to do was randomly assign 10hp and 100 point reliability upgrades toengines after each weekend (and make it more biased to teams with poorer engines), but if you guys want credits, then I'll do that.

[AndreaModa]

It was merely a suggestion. If that's your proposal then as far as I'm concerned, you run with it. Personally I'm not too fussed about the current specs for the engines, a cynic's view would be because I'll run BMW engines which are pretty good. Ultimately though I was considering more those members, for example This and DanielPT, who will be running engines which are a long way off the rest of the field.

I'd rather not have to deal with credits for another series on top of the F1RWRS, so your proposal has my support.

[This]

i accept things the way they are

it's all part of the learning process of pay-drivers

[the Masked Lapwing]

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ENGINE        POWER     RELIA.

Mugen-Honda   370       5000
Holden        367       4500
Lancia        365       4000
BMW           362       3500
Mini          362       3500
Audi          360       3000
Zytek         357       2500
Fiat          355       2000
Daihatsu      352       1500
Geely         350       1000

Right, engine specs v2.0. I've considerably closed the field up in terms of power, which Wizzie assures me will still be more spread out than the F2RWRS. Reliability is now higher with less power. The upgrades will take place after each round, where I will randomly pick two engines (how I do this is yet to be determined, and there will a chance of only one engine or even no upgrades), and then for each one a choice of reliability or power will be presented to the engine owners. This change will affect all cars using those engines.

PRE-QUALIFYING:

The following teams will escape pre-qualifying to start the year:

Pemberton Prospec Racing
ZimSport-Rosenforth
Jones Racing
Peroni Parma Corse
ZombieKart
Octan Young Drivers
Hydook Racing Team
Falik Arrows Juniors*

The following teams will take part in pre-qualifying at Adelaide:

Shonan Junior Racing
MA-Junior Racing
Repsol Aeroracing Engineering Audi
JLD Motorsport
Porto Wine Motorsport
Dofasco Junior Racing
Red Bull Team Jagermeister
Takagi Racing Enterprises
Gulf JCW Juniors

* Depends on the return of Christopherson Racing

The three fastest teams will take part in the rest of the weekend, and the outright fastest will get out of pre-qualifying for the next event. The slowest team in main qualifying will take part in pre-quali the next time. Each driver will get 7 laps to set a time.

[eurobrun]

Could you please not make Red Bull Team Jagermeister as bad as they were last year.
They will use Holden engines.

Also, if I can set the performance of my drivers then they are both really good racers but Paasonen is only medium in Qualifying pace and Hallenstein is quite inconsistent.

[Wizzie]

After doing my calculations, the difference in performance between the best and worst engines now is about 2 seconds a lap. In the F2RWRS, that same BHP difference will equate to roughly half a second. I didn't realise before today that BHP differences in GP4 relative to car performance wasn't a linear equation but an exponential graph instead

[AdrianSutil]

Could you please not make Red Bull Team Jagermeister as bad as they were last year.

I think now we have different engines, team performances will vary a little from race to race. My team also struggled with competitive racing last year (apart from one glorious Spa race), but Holden engines should push us up the field before exploding in a fireball

[the Masked Lapwing]

Could you please not make Red Bull Team Jagermeister as bad as they were last year.

I think now we have different engines, team performances will vary a little from race to race. My team also struggled with competitive racing last year (apart from one glorious Spa race), but Holden engines should push us up the field before exploding in a fireball

The both of you should do well enough to maybe scrounge some points - in a recent test race at Adelaide both Red Bulls were in the points when Hallenstien's transmission let go and Passonen got taken out at turn 9 by Sokolov. I haven't tested with MA-Junior yet because you haven't confirmed your drivers.

[AdrianSutil]

I assume the deadline will be when the next season kicks off after the current F1RWRS season ends. So there's no rush...

[the Masked Lapwing]

I assume the deadline will be when the next season kicks off after the current F1RWRS season ends. So there's no rush...

It won't be until the next F1RWRS season starts, so even longer. Although I will need to run pre-season tests before then, so if you want MA to run, I'll need at least one driver

[DanielPT]

Could you please not make Red Bull Team Jagermeister as bad as they were last year.

I think now we have different engines, team performances will vary a little from race to race. My team also struggled with competitive racing last year (apart from one glorious Spa race), but Holden engines should push us up the field before exploding in a fireball

The both of you should do well enough to maybe scrounge some points - in a recent test race at Adelaide both Red Bulls were in the points when Hallenstien's transmission let go and Passonen got taken out at turn 9 by Sokolov. I haven't tested with MA-Junior yet because you haven't confirmed your drivers.

Porto Wine on the other hand... Nevertheless this 2.0 version is less unfair while still being slightly unfair. I would expect a Hennessey - Daihatsu partnership to be power bonkers and hugely unreliable. Despite this, I too accept things as they are. It will be much fun to see massive underdogs like Daihatsu and Geely rise the ranks!

[Shizuka]

The following teams will take part in pre-qualifying at Adelaide:

Shonan Junior Racing

Hello, DNPQs

[This]

Oh, i'm really putting legendary names as Octan and Vaillante to shame But i will make Geely and Uganda proud!