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Postby Blue Brazil » 02 Apr 2012, 18:35

Just came across this in my favourites. Gave me a good chuckle the first time I read it and it still does. A selection of Indycar journalists give their opinions on the worst drivers ever to disgrace the series. Enjoy!
http://auto-racing.speedtv.com/article/ ... -all-time/
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Re: Indycar rejects article

Postby Wizzie » 02 Apr 2012, 18:41

Blue Brazil wrote:Just came across this in my favourites. Gave me a good chuckle the first time I read it and it still does. A selection of Indycar journalists give their opinions on the worst drivers ever to disgrace the series. Enjoy!
http://auto-racing.speedtv.com/article/ ... -all-time/


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Re: Indycar rejects article

Postby Blue Brazil » 02 Apr 2012, 18:50

Perhaps my favourite part, by Robin Miller:

"Driver: DR. JACK MILLER

Another good marketer who couldn't drive a greasy stick up a dog's a**. A dentist by trade, he conned CREST into sponsoring him after he "won" the March division of Indy Lights (in which, of course, he was the only driver). So he'd get lapped five times and then have the balls to climb on the podium and spray champagne.

By himself.

An in-car video camera caught him turning the kill switch on and off during an early IRL race, and then pulling in after telling his crew something was wrong with his car. And there was: he was driving it.

The fact this clown was ever allowed to drive on the hallowed grounds of the Speedway is reason enough to hate the IRL forever. If he really wants to make a contribution to IndyCar racing, he should get out a toothbrush and scrub his name out of the history books."
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Re: Indycar rejects article

Postby Pointrox » 03 Apr 2012, 01:10

Finally I understand the phenomenon of Jean-Pierre Frey :lol:

Great article - CART/IRL must have the highest percentage of shite drivers in the history of motorsport.
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Re: Indycar rejects article

Postby Verde » 03 Apr 2012, 04:15

Jean-Pierre Frey is such an amazing guy. I wrote a huge article about him last year and everything that could be rolled up to destroy one's reputation was present in his life.

He made money by selling apartments in Switzerland. Some years after the end of his career, rumours came out telling that Frey had sold apartments that weren't of his ownership! AFAIK, he was convicted for this, but I don't remember what actually happen.

But the other way round also happened. Frey had a problem with Euromotorsport manager Antonio Ferrari in 1989 and sued him. Ferrari had took away more than $1mi from an account that he shared whatever was the reason with JPF. The driver could have won the lawsuit, but there were two problems: he took too long to sue him and, therefore, the matter had prescribed; and one of the arguments he used was that the name used on the transaction was "Pierre Frey Jean", but JPF didn't know that this was the form used by the bank to register the account holder!

A great guy. And his Dollop F3000 team was also pure rubbish. Good old times. Nowadays, such a team would never be allowed to attend a Formula Renault 2.0 race.
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Re: Indycar rejects article

Postby Verde » 03 Apr 2012, 04:21

The Del Monte story is a bit complicated. I read once that Eric Jensen was granted some help from OSWR to put a car on the track. Those sad times of 18 cars in CC...
I don't remember clearly what happened, but Jensen found himself without nothing and his plans of hiring a good canadian driver to run for him had fallen apart. He had to seek for a rich driver within some days until the first race. Fabrizio del Monte was basically the only good option available by that time. He appeared at Long Beach without mileage or any prior knowledge about the team or the series.
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Re: Indycar rejects article

Postby AdrianSutil » 03 Apr 2012, 16:45

How do you end up being 15 LAPS BEHIND in a race?! Makes Deletraz look like a god :lol:
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Re: Indycar rejects article

Postby DanielPT » 03 Apr 2012, 19:05

This made a great read a while back. It still is! :D
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Re: Indycar rejects article

Postby eytl » 03 Apr 2012, 21:47

Great thread ... but just gonna shift it to the Eric van de Poele forum ...
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Re: Indycar rejects article

Postby Phoenix » 04 Apr 2012, 02:27

Verde wrote:Jean-Pierre Frey is such an amazing guy. I wrote a huge article about him last year and everything that could be rolled up to destroy one's reputation was present in his life.

He made money by selling apartments in Switzerland. Some years after the end of his career, rumours came out telling that Frey had sold apartments that weren't of his ownership! AFAIK, he was convicted for this, but I don't remember what actually happen.

But the other way round also happened. Frey had a problem with Euromotorsport manager Antonio Ferrari in 1989 and sued him. Ferrari had took away more than $1mi from an account that he shared whatever was the reason with JPF. The driver could have won the lawsuit, but there were two problems: he took too long to sue him and, therefore, the matter had prescribed; and one of the arguments he used was that the name used on the transaction was "Pierre Frey Jean", but JPF didn't know that this was the form used by the bank to register the account holder!

A great guy. And his Dollop F3000 team was also pure rubbish. Good old times. Nowadays, such a team would never be allowed to attend a Formula Renault 2.0 race.


Yes, I remember reading your article, that's how I came to know about the delicacies this great human being served :lol:
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Re: Indycar rejects article

Postby midgrid » 04 Apr 2012, 04:06

This must be the article. It's at times like this that I give thanks for Google Translate. :D
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Re: Indycar rejects article

Postby Verde » 04 Apr 2012, 04:31

Phoenix wrote:
Verde wrote:Jean-Pierre Frey is such an amazing guy. I wrote a huge article about him last year and everything that could be rolled up to destroy one's reputation was present in his life.

He made money by selling apartments in Switzerland. Some years after the end of his career, rumours came out telling that Frey had sold apartments that weren't of his ownership! AFAIK, he was convicted for this, but I don't remember what actually happen.

But the other way round also happened. Frey had a problem with Euromotorsport manager Antonio Ferrari in 1989 and sued him. Ferrari had took away more than $1mi from an account that he shared whatever was the reason with JPF. The driver could have won the lawsuit, but there were two problems: he took too long to sue him and, therefore, the matter had prescribed; and one of the arguments he used was that the name used on the transaction was "Pierre Frey Jean", but JPF didn't know that this was the form used by the bank to register the account holder!

A great guy. And his Dollop F3000 team was also pure rubbish. Good old times. Nowadays, such a team would never be allowed to attend a Formula Renault 2.0 race.


Yes, I remember reading your article, that's how I came to know about the delicacies this great human being served :lol:


Haha, but are you somebody that I know?
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Re: Indycar rejects article

Postby wmetcalf68 » 04 Apr 2012, 11:26

Awesome article!
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Re: Indycar rejects article

Postby dr-baker » 05 Apr 2012, 02:47

AdrianSutil wrote:How do you end up being 15 LAPS BEHIND in a race?! Makes Deletraz look like a god :lol:

For Al Pease, this would be equivalent to winning the WDC, Indy 500 and Le Mans all at once! 46 laps behind, if my memory of his F1R profile serves me right...
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Re: Indycar rejects article

Postby tommykl » 05 Apr 2012, 03:25

dr-baker wrote:
AdrianSutil wrote:How do you end up being 15 LAPS BEHIND in a race?! Makes Deletraz look like a god :lol:

For Al Pease, this would be equivalent to winning the WDC, Indy 500 and Le Mans all at once! 46 laps behind, if my memory of his F1R profile serves me right...

43 actually. But that was understandable, really. Losing six laps when your car stalls on the grid, then stopping your car on the far side of the hilly track and running to the pits and back for a new battery when your first one goes flat won't usually do wonders for your results.
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Re: Indycar rejects article

Postby Phoenix » 05 Apr 2012, 07:52

Verde wrote:
Phoenix wrote:
Verde wrote:Jean-Pierre Frey is such an amazing guy. I wrote a huge article about him last year and everything that could be rolled up to destroy one's reputation was present in his life.

He made money by selling apartments in Switzerland. Some years after the end of his career, rumours came out telling that Frey had sold apartments that weren't of his ownership! AFAIK, he was convicted for this, but I don't remember what actually happen.

But the other way round also happened. Frey had a problem with Euromotorsport manager Antonio Ferrari in 1989 and sued him. Ferrari had took away more than $1mi from an account that he shared whatever was the reason with JPF. The driver could have won the lawsuit, but there were two problems: he took too long to sue him and, therefore, the matter had prescribed; and one of the arguments he used was that the name used on the transaction was "Pierre Frey Jean", but JPF didn't know that this was the form used by the bank to register the account holder!

A great guy. And his Dollop F3000 team was also pure rubbish. Good old times. Nowadays, such a team would never be allowed to attend a Formula Renault 2.0 race.


Yes, I remember reading your article, that's how I came to know about the delicacies this great human being served :lol:


Haha, but are you somebody that I know?


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Re: Indycar rejects article

Postby Faustus » 05 Apr 2012, 19:05

It's a great article, I remember reading it when it was published.
Marshall Pruett is a really good guy and his articles are always worth reading, if you have any interest in IndyCars. He can get a little... passionate about some subjects, like the article he wrote about Sarah Fisher's team not being able to secure an engine supply, but he knows his stuff. He used to be chief mechanic for Arciero-Wells and PPI in the good old days of CART.
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Re: Indycar rejects article

Postby golic_2004 » 09 Apr 2012, 12:06

Verde wrote:Jean-Pierre Frey is such an amazing guy. I wrote a huge article about him last year and everything that could be rolled up to destroy one's reputation was present in his life.

He made money by selling apartments in Switzerland. Some years after the end of his career, rumours came out telling that Frey had sold apartments that weren't of his ownership! AFAIK, he was convicted for this, but I don't remember what actually happen.

But the other way round also happened. Frey had a problem with Euromotorsport manager Antonio Ferrari in 1989 and sued him. Ferrari had took away more than $1mi from an account that he shared whatever was the reason with JPF. The driver could have won the lawsuit, but there were two problems: he took too long to sue him and, therefore, the matter had prescribed; and one of the arguments he used was that the name used on the transaction was "Pierre Frey Jean", but JPF didn't know that this was the form used by the bank to register the account holder!

A great guy. And his Dollop F3000 team was also pure rubbish. Good old times. Nowadays, such a team would never be allowed to attend a Formula Renault 2.0 race.


Could he actually be the father or an uncle to one Rahel Frey?
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Re: Indycar rejects article

Postby Pointrox » 09 Apr 2012, 22:03

golic_2004 wrote:Could he actually be the father or an uncle to one Rahel Frey?

Well, no. But I can see where you're going with this :lol:
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Re: Indycar rejects article

Postby Faustus » 10 Apr 2012, 01:47

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golic_2004 wrote:Could he actually be the father or an uncle to one Rahel Frey?

Well, no. But I can see where you're going with this :lol:


I can't find anything on the net about any close family relation. She mentions that her father raced karts, but that's it.
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Re: Indycar rejects article

Postby Pointrox » 10 Apr 2012, 05:13

Faustus wrote:I can't find anything on the net about any close family relation. She mentions that her father raced karts, but that's it.

There might be a slight confusion, whether she means karts or CARTs :D
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Re: Indycar rejects article

Postby midgrid » 10 Apr 2012, 08:53

If you were an aspiring professional racing driver, would you dare to mention any potential connection at all, let alone familial, to Jean-Pierre? :lol:
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Re: Indycar rejects article

Postby Klon » 10 Apr 2012, 08:59

midgrid wrote:If you were an aspiring professional racing driver, would you dare to mention any potential connection at all, let alone familial, to Jean-Pierre? :lol:


Well, one could be cynical and note that given her DTM performances she might as well have inherented all his talent... :?
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Re: Indycar rejects article

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Re: Indycar rejects article

Postby Cynon » 15 Apr 2012, 14:01

I think I posted this in the IndyCar thread some time ago.

Verde wrote:But the other way round also happened. Frey had a problem with Euromotorsport manager Antonio Ferrari in 1989 and sued him. Ferrari had took away more than $1mi from an account that he shared whatever was the reason with JPF. The driver could have won the lawsuit, but there were two problems: he took too long to sue him and, therefore, the matter had prescribed; and one of the arguments he used was that the name used on the transaction was "Pierre Frey Jean", but JPF didn't know that this was the form used by the bank to register the account holder!


Ever heard of a team called EuroInternational? It's the same team. They even ran Simona de Silvestro in Formula BMW or something like that a few years back!

Not sure if they're still around... but that's another hilarious story about Jean Pierre Frey... :lol:
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Re: Indycar rejects article

Postby Stramala » 17 Apr 2012, 00:31

Cynon wrote:Ever heard of a team called EuroInternational? It's the same team. They even ran Simona de Silvestro in Formula BMW or something like that a few years back!

Not sure if they're still around... but that's another hilarious story about Jean Pierre Frey... :lol:

They're doing Formula Abarth in Italy nowadays, and little else. I remember them the most for running Jaap van Lagen in Formula Renault. He's legendary now for being a factory Lada driver in WTCC :lol:
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Re: Indycar rejects article

Postby Verde » 17 Apr 2012, 01:22

Cynon wrote:I think I posted this in the IndyCar thread some time ago.

Verde wrote:But the other way round also happened. Frey had a problem with Euromotorsport manager Antonio Ferrari in 1989 and sued him. Ferrari had took away more than $1mi from an account that he shared whatever was the reason with JPF. The driver could have won the lawsuit, but there were two problems: he took too long to sue him and, therefore, the matter had prescribed; and one of the arguments he used was that the name used on the transaction was "Pierre Frey Jean", but JPF didn't know that this was the form used by the bank to register the account holder!


Ever heard of a team called EuroInternational? It's the same team. They even ran Simona de Silvestro in Formula BMW or something like that a few years back!

Not sure if they're still around... but that's another hilarious story about Jean Pierre Frey... :lol:


Yes, I heard about it. I don't really have any idea on why Antonio Ferrari had changed the name of it.

Euromotorport which, by the way, was sponsored by our almighty ANDREA MODA in 1993. The team was also known for bringing some hopeless European drivers to Indy back in 90s, like good old bloke Mauro Baldi running a one-off in Elkhart Lake/1994. But I like the livery of that year, a blend of red, yellow and blue with several stickers spread on it.

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