The Formula 1 Rejects Teams Association (F1RTA) Thread

[Vepe]

I'd be fine with this, but the big problem is the 16 year gap between the two series.

Ah, had forgotten about that. Best to scrap that idea, then.

Don´t scrap it, change it a bit. I´m planning a series using Stock Car Brazil as a base...

[AndreaModa]

I'm happy with (h), not so sure about rallying counting, but I'm not too fussed, I'd be okay with it if it was confirmed.

Also, I would have considered entering the RTCC if it were set in 2015, that would have been a nice little thing to have.

[FMecha]

Following Virgingate (you know, the sponsor dispute between Lindsay and MRT group), I, Mecha Grand Prix, would like to raise the following:

USING SPONSORS AS TEAM NAMES

Scuderia Alitalia and Kingfisher (nee Mitie), as well as proably Shonan-DMS, has sponsor as the team name. When VIC was disqualified, er, booted from F1RWRS for AWOLness, Lindsay vs MRT Group lawsuit rised when Alasdair (Kostas) attempted to revive VIC, and MRT won, collapsing VIC. When Scuderia Alitalia was born from Trueba (in F1RWRS), Kostas had to form an organization, Il Barone Rampante (proably named after the F3000 team?), creating a protacted situation.

My problem here is, what is the security of the sponsorship? See the Lindsay-MRT lawsuit, for instance. If the team dies, then another team suddenly steal the the sponsor, and the manager of the defunct team returns, this would became a large problem, right? (wild mass guess situation: what if Shonan the radio suddenly withdrew sponsorship from Shonan-DMS? Would they be forced to change constructor name to DMS?)

We also want to raise the following:

F2RWRS AS F1 SUPPORT RACE: DAMAGE OF BREAKWAY SPIRIT?

RWRS is designed/born as breakaway of Formula One (according to the wiki ) Before 2014 F2RWRS Hungarian GP it was announced that it would be a support race to the Formula One race. However, in my opinion, this goes against the breakaway spirit of RWRS. (My metaphor here is F2RWRS is breakaway to GP2 Series ). Hence, I think F2RWRS/F3RWRS should stay away from becaming Formula One support race.

I need your opinions on both.

[AndreaModa]

Well, as far as sponsor team names are concerned, its largely irrelevant. I'm more of a fan of just title sponsorship (eg. Castrol Jones Racing or Vodafone McLaren Mercedes) as its easier with records/stats management, but ultimately it's down to individual members to decide whether they want to do it like Kostas or AdrianSutil, or like me or Wizzie (just using examples). If members go AWOL for a protracted period of time, then as far as the sponsor is concerned, as soon as the team is kicked out, it would loose the sponsor. If the AWOL member who returns is that hung up over a sponsor, they should have put more effort into the series to make it clear that sponsor was theirs. It's not really a big deal to be quite honest in my opinion.

Secondly, the crossover with F1 won't be happening any more with the calenders all roughly matching up for 2015. Again, not really too big a deal, it was just something different Wizzie felt like coming up with on that race weekend.

[Stramala]

Following Virgingate (you know, the sponsor dispute between Lindsay and MRT group), I, Mecha Grand Prix, would like to raise the following:

USING SPONSORS AS TEAM NAMES

Scuderia Alitalia and Kingfisher (nee Mitie), as well as proably Shonan-DMS, has sponsor as the team name. When VIC was disqualified, er, booted from F1RWRS for AWOLness, Lindsay vs MRT Group lawsuit rised when Alasdair (Kostas) attempted to revive VIC, and MRT won, collapsing VIC. When Scuderia Alitalia was born from Trueba (in F1RWRS), Kostas had to form an organization, Il Barone Rampante (proably named after the F3000 team?), creating a protacted situation.

My problem here is, what is the security of the sponsorship? See the Lindsay-MRT lawsuit, for instance. If the team dies, then another team suddenly steal the the sponsor, and the manager of the defunct team returns, this would became a large problem, right? (wild mass guess situation: what if Shonan the radio suddenly withdrew sponsorship from Shonan-DMS? Would they be forced to change constructor name to DMS?)

We also want to raise the following:

F2RWRS AS F1 SUPPORT RACE: DAMAGE OF BREAKWAY SPIRIT?

RWRS is designed/born as breakaway of Formula One (according to the wiki ) Before 2014 F2RWRS Hungarian GP it was announced that it would be a support race to the Formula One race. However, in my opinion, this goes against the breakaway spirit of RWRS. (My metaphor here is F2RWRS is breakaway to GP2 Series ). Hence, I think F2RWRS/F3RWRS should stay away from becaming Formula One support race.

I need your opinions on both.

Do you see what connects these two events together?

Someone whose first name begins in D and last name ends in E. And whose forum nickname begins with a W.

Really, Wizzie, some of the decisions you make here are beyond a joke sometimes. Formula One has **** all to do with RWRS yet you wanted it included in the superlicense criteria and now F2RWRS to be part of an F1 support bill. That's like FIA Formula 2 being included in an F1 weekend.

Also, the only reason I was aggreived at Melrose nicking Virgin from me was my team-name was a pun that wouldn't work without it. Inter Corse does not have the same punnery as Virgin Inter Corse, now does it?

[AndreaModa]

Christ Kostas I know you're not a fan of some of the decisions Wizzie has made, but it was only one race weekend, it's not the whole bloody season! And its in the past now, so why get worked up over it?

[FMecha]

Do you see what connects these two events together?

Someone whose first name begins in D and last name ends in E [Daniel Melrose]. And whose forum nickname begins with a W [Wizzie].

Really, Wizzie, some of the decisions you make here are beyond a joke sometimes. Formula One has [bathplug] all to do with RWRS yet you wanted it included in the superlicense criteria and now F2RWRS to be part of an F1 support bill. That's like FIA Formula 2 being included in an F1 weekend.

Clarified some stuff. And well, once, you called MRT as 'mediocre racing team', right?

In the FORCDA thread (and almost elsewhere) many accused Wizzie of using low diffculty rates to complete his F1 career in the FORCDA thread.

[Stramala]

Christ Kostas I know you're not a fan of some of the decisions Wizzie has made, but it was only one race weekend, it's not the whole bloody season! And its in the past now, so why get worked up over it?

Who said I was worked up? That's just poor perception on your part

[AndreaModa]

Christ Kostas I know you're not a fan of some of the decisions Wizzie has made, but it was only one race weekend, it's not the whole bloody season! And its in the past now, so why get worked up over it?

Who said I was worked up? That's just poor perception on your part

I dunno, maybe the copius use of poor language and smilies gave it away?

[JeremyMcClean]

Clarified some stuff. And well, once, you called MRT as 'mediocre racing team', right?

Ouch. It's invalid now, but now I know what to call them when they fall to the midfield

[AdrianSutil]

I'd like to add my two cents into the sponsorship-on-cars point: I haven't got a problem with people taking the Kingfisher sponsorship away from me if I'm inactive but in the meantime, I'd like no other team or driver having Kingfisher sponsorship.

[FMecha]

I think there should be a reliability limit for the chassis. Who supports this idea?

[Phoenix]

I think there should be a reliability limit for the chassis. Who supports this idea?

So even less cars would finish races? Or do you mean to have the opposed efect?

[FMecha]

I think there should be a reliability limit for the chassis. Who supports this idea?

So even less cars would finish races? Or do you mean to have the opposed efect?

My idea was that cars would not be overly reliable but slow, and to prevent changes to point system for time being.

[Phoenix]

I think there should be a reliability limit for the chassis. Who supports this idea?

So even less cars would finish races? Or do you mean to have the opposed efect?

My idea was that cars would not be overly reliable but slow, and to prevent changes to point system for time being.

Can you elaborate on that for me, please?

[Wizzie]

I think there should be a reliability limit for the chassis. Who supports this idea?

The chassis system's fine as it is. MRT will therefore not support this notion.

[AndreaModa]

I think there should be a reliability limit for the chassis. Who supports this idea?

The chassis system's fine as it is. MRT will therefore not support this notion.

I'm still not quite sure what he's on about to be honest!

[Shizuka]

USING SPONSORS AS TEAM NAMES

Scuderia Alitalia and Kingfisher (nee Mitie), as well as proably Shonan-DMS, has sponsor as the team name. (wild mass guess situation: what if Shonan the radio suddenly withdrew sponsorship from Shonan-DMS? Would they be forced to change constructor name to DMS?)

If Shonan stops supporting my team, it will be running under the Revolution Engineering DMS, with Revolution not being a sponsor, but the actual team name. If this will actually happen, I would actually change the team name in order to avoid any lawsuit against the team, supposedly resulting in having less credits next season.

This is actually a good question.

[AndreaModa]

USING SPONSORS AS TEAM NAMES

Scuderia Alitalia and Kingfisher (nee Mitie), as well as proably Shonan-DMS, has sponsor as the team name. (wild mass guess situation: what if Shonan the radio suddenly withdrew sponsorship from Shonan-DMS? Would they be forced to change constructor name to DMS?)

If Shonan stops supporting my team, it will be running under the Revolution Engineering DMS, with Revolution not being a sponsor, but the actual team name. If this will actually happen, I would actually change the team name in order to avoid any lawsuit against the team, supposedly resulting in having less credits next season.

This is actually a good question.

Duly noted. What I'll do is change the constructor name on the Wiki to Revolution to recognise this fact, and that Shonan was merely a title sponsor. You are more than welcome to keep them on as sponsors next year by the way, it's entirely up to you!

[Stramala]

So, right now Il Barone Rampante have six drivers in RWRS;

David Koczo
Bastiaan van Nieuwenhuijzen
Gianluigi Pazzini
Alessandro Lucarelli
Lorenzo Crescenzi
Carsten Jancker

My preference is that someone takes over David Koczo on the proviso he has a signed and sealed contract with Scuderia Alitalia until the end of 2016, and failing that, someone (most likely Pointrox) assumes control of Jancker. Any interested parties out there?

[Warren Hughes]

Maybe we can persuade QuickYoda to return to F1RWRS?

For reference, because I don't think I've done this yet, my drivers in the RWRS are:
Jean-Luc Schiller
Michael Cameron
Nathanael Cameron

Teams:
Pemberton Prospec Racing (aka Prospec) - F1RWRS and F3RWRS

[pasta_maldonado]

So, right now Il Barone Rampante have six drivers in RWRS;

David Koczo
Bastiaan van Nieuwenhuijzen
Gianluigi Pazzini
Alessandro Lucarelli
Lorenzo Crescenzi
Carsten Jancker

My preference is that someone takes over David Koczo on the proviso he has a signed and sealed contract with Scuderia Alitalia until the end of 2016, and failing that, someone (most likely Pointrox) assumes control of Jancker. Any interested parties out there?

I''ll take control of Koczo if you'd like kostas

[Stramala]

So, right now Il Barone Rampante have six drivers in RWRS;

David Koczo
Bastiaan van Nieuwenhuijzen
Gianluigi Pazzini
Alessandro Lucarelli
Lorenzo Crescenzi
Carsten Jancker

My preference is that someone takes over David Koczo on the proviso he has a signed and sealed contract with Scuderia Alitalia until the end of 2016, and failing that, someone (most likely Pointrox) assumes control of Jancker. Any interested parties out there?

I''ll take control of Koczo if you'd like kostas

That would be nice, but one thing to remember is, he was once owned by QuickYoda who no longer visits this part of the forum, if he shows up again he may want him back

[pasta_maldonado]

So, right now Il Barone Rampante have six drivers in RWRS;

David Koczo
Bastiaan van Nieuwenhuijzen
Gianluigi Pazzini
Alessandro Lucarelli
Lorenzo Crescenzi
Carsten Jancker

My preference is that someone takes over David Koczo on the proviso he has a signed and sealed contract with Scuderia Alitalia until the end of 2016, and failing that, someone (most likely Pointrox) assumes control of Jancker. Any interested parties out there?

I''ll take control of Koczo if you'd like kostas

That would be nice, but one thing to remember is, he was once owned by QuickYoda who no longer visits this part of the forum, if he shows up again he may want him back

That's okay, if he wants him back i'll happily give him back

[Stramala]

OK yeah, that's another good point, nobody here apart from me seems to use multi-year contracts. Is there a reason for that? If someone breaches contract, can we take them to CAS?

Just for reference...
David Koczo 2 year contract at Scuderia Alitalia F1RWRS, no clauses.
Ben Fleet 1 year contract at Scuderia Alitalia F1RWRS, compensation clause if contract terminated early.
Andreij Kremnicky 2 year contract with Scuderia Alitalia, clause of extra one year activated if given F1RWRS drive.
Everyone else is on a standard 1 year.

[pasta_maldonado]

OK yeah, that's another good point, nobody here apart from me seems to use multi-year contracts. Is there a reason for that? If someone breaches contract, can we take them to CAS?

Just for reference...
David Koczo 2 year contract at Scuderia Alitalia F1RWRS, no clauses.
Ben Fleet 1 year contract at Scuderia Alitalia F1RWRS, compensation clause if contract terminated early.
Andreij Kremnicky 2 year contract with Scuderia Alitalia, clause of extra one year activated if given F1RWRS drive.
Everyone else is on a standard 1 year.

Talking of driver contracts, I think it would be a good idea to start a new thread with every driver listed, who owns them, what contractual situation they're in, etc...

[Wizzie]

OK yeah, that's another good point, nobody here apart from me seems to use multi-year contracts. Is there a reason for that? If someone breaches contract, can we take them to CAS?

Just for reference...
David Koczo 2 year contract at Scuderia Alitalia F1RWRS, no clauses.
Ben Fleet 1 year contract at Scuderia Alitalia F1RWRS, compensation clause if contract terminated early.
Andreij Kremnicky 2 year contract with Scuderia Alitalia, clause of extra one year activated if given F1RWRS drive.
Everyone else is on a standard 1 year.

MRT also have a history of using multi-year contracts for Rhys Davies (2 years) as well as the original contracts for Spencer and Nicolas (2 years each) but I assume many people stick to rolling one year contracts because it gives them freedom to move come silly season time.

[the Masked Lapwing]

OK yeah, that's another good point, nobody here apart from me seems to use multi-year contracts. Is there a reason for that? If someone breaches contract, can we take them to CAS?

Just for reference...
David Koczo 2 year contract at Scuderia Alitalia F1RWRS, no clauses.
Ben Fleet 1 year contract at Scuderia Alitalia F1RWRS, compensation clause if contract terminated early.
Andreij Kremnicky 2 year contract with Scuderia Alitalia, clause of extra one year activated if given F1RWRS drive.
Everyone else is on a standard 1 year.

MRT also have a history of using multi-year contracts for Rhys Davies (2 years) as well as the original contracts for Spencer and Nicolas (2 years each) but I assume many people stick to rolling one year contracts because it gives them freedom to move come silly season time.

Plus the odds of Davies actually sticking around for two years will be non-existent if the MRT is crap

[eurobrun]

Jason Hamilton is on a multi year contract to the MRT Young Driver program. (I think)

[Wizzie]

Jason Hamilton is on a multi year contract to the MRT Young Driver program. (I think)

You're indeed correct. I haven't included you or Macklin in my original post however because Mitchy boy's on loan to Simpson for the foreseeable future and pretty much everyone's fate in the MRT Young Driver program for 2016 depends on how everyone performs in 2015.

[Stramala]

Talking of driver contracts, I think it would be a good idea to start a new thread with every driver listed, who owns them, what contractual situation they're in, etc...

Perhaps a page for this can be started on the wiki...

[Wizzie]

OK yeah, that's another good point, nobody here apart from me seems to use multi-year contracts. Is there a reason for that? If someone breaches contract, can we take them to CAS?

Just for reference...
David Koczo 2 year contract at Scuderia Alitalia F1RWRS, no clauses.
Ben Fleet 1 year contract at Scuderia Alitalia F1RWRS, compensation clause if contract terminated early.
Andreij Kremnicky 2 year contract with Scuderia Alitalia, clause of extra one year activated if given F1RWRS drive.
Everyone else is on a standard 1 year.

MRT also have a history of using multi-year contracts for Rhys Davies (2 years) as well as the original contracts for Spencer and Nicolas (2 years each) but I assume many people stick to rolling one year contracts because it gives them freedom to move come silly season time.

Plus the odds of Davies actually sticking around for two years will be non-existent if the MRT is crap

And if Davies is crap, the odds of Melrose tolerating him for two years will be non-existent as well

[Stramala]

Done.

http://f1alternate.wikkii.com/wiki/Driver_contracts

Feel free to add your driver to either list.

[dr-baker]

There's also this if needed....

[Stramala]

Eh, TMLW, I never agreed to that clause for Hannesson. I have first preference for him, I only loaned him to you on a one year contract. We can discuss an extension at the end of next season.

[AndreaModa]

It is relatively straightforward though for members with their own drivers in their teams (like Sammy Jones at Jones Racing). Nice idea though. Helps neaten things up a little. I think perhaps a better idea would be to get every driver on there, the member who controls them, and what sort of contractual obligations they are currently under. That would make a more comprehensive list.

[pasta_maldonado]

It is relatively straightforward though for members with their own drivers in their teams (like Sammy Jones at Jones Racing). Nice idea though. Helps neaten things up a little. I think perhaps a better idea would be to get every driver on there, the member who controls them, and what sort of contractual obligations they are currently under. That would make a more comprehensive list.

Either everyone adds their own drivers to the wiki page, or someone combs through the thread mentioned by dr-baker and uses their knowledge of all things RWRS to populate the list. Which will probably be me, sometime later this week when I'm bored

[Aerond]

I have an issue to discuss before the season ends: I´ve been checking the prize structure for F2RWRS and I find it far too generous (the winner bringing in 200 credits); I´d like to suggest the following:

A) F2RWRS Prize Structure as it follows:

Winner -- 75 cr.
2nd -- 50 cr.
3rd -- 25 cr.
4th and 5th -- 10 cr.

B) That those credits are counted towards the Pay Driver cap, even if the driver is not a Pay Driver.

C) That any of these drivers are assured to take in, at least, 8 F1RWRS events against a penalty of double the credits that driver brought.

[Wizzie]

As the F2RWRS commissioner, I think the existing prize money is fine as it is and B has already been partially covered with a 300 credit per year limit. Point C however I agree with but it should be 10 races for the F2RWRS championship winner (Which equates to 20 credits per race which is the same amount as running a pay driver for 10 races)

[JeremyMcClean]

As having no important title or position of any value, I agree with Wizzie.

Although this is the F2RWRS thread... oh well, at least FORTI covers all of the feeder series, much like FIA covers basically any known international racing league.