Alternative F1 Without Ferrari

[domi-kun]

What if there never was Ferrari in Formula 1, and the point system was always as best of 8, this is my idea of how things could have been in start of 90’s. Who would drive which teams, and what would the teams championship be like.

I Made the Results again, those results weren't realistic at all, So I put a little more effort on this.
The idea is that because Senna is on Lotus, and Boutsen on Ligier, I put their results 1 position backwards. Let's see what it looks like then.

1990 Teams and Drivers

Tyrrell – Ford
Jean Alesi
Derek Warwick

Williams – Renault
Nigel Mansell
Riccardo Patrese

Brabham – Judd
David Brabham / Gregor Foitek
Stefano Modena

Arrows – Ford
Michele Alboreto
Alex Caffi / Bernd Schneider

Lotus – Honda
Ayrton Senna
Satoru Nakajima

Osella – Ford
Olivier Grouillard
Martin Donnelly

Leyton House – Judd
Mauricio Gugelmin
Ivan Capelli

AGS – Ford
Gabriele Tarquini
Yannick Dalmas

Benetton - Ford
Alessandro Nannini/ Roberto Moreno
Nelson Piquet

Dallara – Ford
Emanuele Pirro / Gianni Morbidelli
Andrea de Cesaris

Minardi – Ford
Pierluigi Martini
Paolo Barilla / Gianni Morbidelli

Ligier – Ford
Nicola Larini
Thierry Boutsen

McLaren – Honda
Alain Prost
Gerhard Berger

Lola – Lamborghini
Eric Bernard
Aguri Suzuki

Coloni – Subaru
Bertrandt Gachot

Euro Brun – Judd
Roberto Moreno
Claudio Langes

Onyx – Ford
Stefan Johansson / Gregor Foitek
JJ Lehto

Life – Life
Gary Brabham / Bruno Giacomelli

Drivers Championship

Alain Prost 98 (7 wins 1 second 1 third)
Nelson Piquet 78 (4 wins 2 thirds)
Ayrton Senna 75 (6 seconds 2 thirds)
Gerhard Berger 65 (2 seconds 5 thirds)
Nigel Mansell 51 (1 win 3 seconds 2 thirds)
Riccardo Patrese 42 (1 win)
Thierry Boutsen 41 (1 second 1 third)
Alessandro Nannini 36 (1 win 2 thirds)
Jean Alesi 31 (2 wins)
Eric Bernard 16 (1 second)
Aguri Suzuki 14 (1 third)
Ivan Capelli 13 (1 second)
Derek Warwick 11
Satoru Nakajima 11
Roberto Moreno 10
Alex Caffi 8
Stefano Modena 6
Maurcio Gugelmin 5
Martin Donnelly 4
Nicola Larini 4
Pierluigi Martini 3
Gregor Foitek 2

Teams Championship

McLaren - Honda 173
Benetton - Ford 124
Lotus - Honda 86
Williams - Renault 93
Ligier - Ford 45
Tyrrell - Ford 42
Lola - Lamborghini 30
Leyton House - Judd 18
Arrows - Ford 8
Brabham - Judd 6
Osella - Ford 4
Onyx - Ford 2
Minardi - Ford 3

[Life w12]

You seriously think Senna could of won the championship in the 1990 Lotus, that car was horrible and dangerous

[domi-kun]

1991 (+ and - behind drivers name tells if his positions in races will be increased or decreased)

After winning 1990 Championship Alain Prost will stay at McLaren with Gerhard Berger (+1 for Prost)
Jean Alesi Stays at Tyrrell, with Satoru Nakajima providing Honda Engines.
After Honda Engines gone to Tyrrell Lotus has signed engine deal with Renault. Ayrton Senna Stays with Lotus alongside Mika Häkkinen. (Senna -1 Häkkinen +1)
Williams - Renault continues with Mansell and Patrese
Brabham - Yamaha, Stefano Modena, Martin Brundle (Modena -1)
Footwork - Porsche, Michele Alboreto, Alex Caffi.
Fondmetal - Ford, Olivier Grouillard, Gabriele Tarquini
Leyton House - Ilmor, Mauricio Gugelmin, Karl Wendlinger / Ivan Capelli
AGS - Ford, Stefan Johansson, Fabrizio Barbazza
Benetton - Ford, Roberto Moreno, Nelson Piquet (Michael Schumacher will stay at Jordan)
Dallara - Judd, Emanuele Pirro, JJ Lehto
Minardi - Ford (Pierluigi Martini, Gianni Morbidelli) (-1 for Minardi because they don't have Ferrari engines)
Ligier - Lamborghini (Thierry Boutsen, Erik Comas)
Lola - Ford (Eric Bernard / Aguri Suzuki, Bertrandt Gachot)
Coloni - Ford (Pedro Chaves / Naoki Hattori)
Jordan - Ford (Bertrandt Gachot / Michael Schumacher, Andrea de Cesaris)
Lambo - Lamborghini (Nicola Larini, Eric van de Poele)

Drivers that are in real championship but not in this (Mark Blundell, Johnny Herbert, Michael Bartels, Julian Bailey, Alessandro Zanardi)

Ayrton Senna 91 (7 seconds, 2 thirds)
Nigel Mansell 87 (6 wins, 3 seconds)
Alain Prost 73 (4 wins, 2 seconds, 1 third)
Riccardo Patrese 68 (2 wins, 2 seconds, 2 thirds)
Gerhard Berger 62 (3 wins, 1 third)
Nelson Piquet 48 (1 win, 1 third)
Jean Alesi 38 (1 second, 3 thirds)
Andrea de Cesaris 24 (1 third)
Roberto Moreno 18
Stefano Modena 13 (1 third)
Bertrandt Gachot 11
Michael Schumacher 11
Pierluigi Martini 9
Emanuele Pirro 9
Thierry Boutsen 7
Satoru Nakajima 7
Mika Häkkinen 7
JJ Lehto 7 (1 third)
Mauricio Gugelmin 7
Martin Brundle 6
Ivan Capelli 4
Aguri Suzuki 3
Erik Comas 3
Eric Bernard 3
Nicola Larini 2
Eric van de Poele 2
Gianni Morbidelli 2
Gabriele Tarquini 1
Olivier Grouillard 1

Williams - Renault 155
McLaren - Honda 135
Lotus - Renault 98
Benetton - Ford 66
Jordan - Ford 46
Tyrrell - Honda 45
Brabham - Yamaha 19
Dallara - Judd 16
Minardi - Ford 11
Leyton House - Ilmor 11
Ligier - Lamborghini 10
Lola - Ford 6
Lambo - Lamborghini 4
Fondmetal - Ford 2

So Ayrton Senna won the championship without winning single race.

[domi-kun]

1992

Alain Prost decided not to drive on 1992 so McLaren signed Ayrton Senna to drive with Gerhard Berger. 1992 car was better than expected (McLaren +1)
Tyrrell Managed to keep Honda Engines by signing Aguri Suzuki to drive alongside Jean Alesi (Suzuki +1)
Williams – Renault, (Nigel Mansell – Riccardo Patrese)
Brabham – Judd, (Eric van de Poele, Damon Hill / Giovanna Amati)
Footwork – Ilmor, (Michele Alboreto, Mauricio Gugelmin)
Lotus – Ford, (Mika Häkkinen, Johnny Herbert)
Fondmetal – Ford, (Andrea Chiesa / Eric van de Poele, Gabriele Tarquini)
March – Ilmor (Karl Wendlinger / Jan Lammers, Paul Belmondo / Emanuele Naspetti)
Benetton – Ford (Ivan Capelli, Martin Brundle)
Dallara – Judd (JJ Lehto, Pierluigi Martini)
Minardi – Lamborghini (Christian Fittipaldi / Alessandro Zanardi, Gianni Morbidelli)
Ligier – Renault (Thierry Boutsen , Erik Comas)
Venturi – Lamborghini (Bertrandt Gachot, Ukyo Katayama)
Jordan – Ford (Michael Schumacher, Andrea de Cesaris) (Schumacher -1)
Moda – Judd (Roberto Moreno, Perry McCarthy)

Nigel Mansell 108 (8 wins, 2 seconds, 2 thirds)
Gerhard Berger 82 (4 wins, 1 seconds, 4 thirds)
Ayrton Senna 70 (4 wins, 3 seconds)
Riccardo Patrese 67 (5 seconds, 3 thirds)
Martin Brundle 59 (2 seconds, 4 thirds)
Michael Schumacher 58 (1 second, 2 thirds)
Jean Alesi 35 (2 seconds, 1 third)
Michele Alboreto 26
Mika Häkkinen 26
Andrea de Cesaris 18
Erik Comas 13
Aguri Suzuki 9
Johnny Herbert 8
Thierry Boutsen 8
Ivan Capelli 7
Pierluigi Martini 7
Karl Wendlinger 5
JJ Lehto 5
Christian Fittipaldi 5
Bertrandt Gachot 3
Gianni Morbidelli 3
Mauricio Gugelmin 2

Williams - Renault 175
McLaren - Honda 152
Benetton - Ford 66
Jordan - Ford 84
Tyrrell - Honda 44
Footwork - Ilmor 28
Lotus - Ford 34
Ligier - Renault 21
Dallara - Judd 12
March - Ilmor 5
Minardi - Lamborghini 8
Venturi - Lamborghini 3

[domi-kun]

1993

Williams – Renault, (Alain Prost, Damon Hill)
Afterall Honda didn’t leave F1 McLaren – Honda (Ayrton Senna, Gerhard Berger) (McLaren +1)
Benetton – Ford (Riccardo Patrese, Martin Brundle) (Brundle +1)
Tyrrell – Honda (Aguri Suzuki, Jean Alesi) (Suzuki +1)
Footwork – Yamaha (Derek Warwick, Ukyo Katayama)
Lotus – Ford (Alessandro Zanardi / Pedro Lamy, Johnny Herbert)
Jordan – Ford (Michael Schumacher, Rubens Barrichello) (Schumacher -1, Barrichello +1)
Larrousse – Lamborghini (Philippe Alliot / Toshio Suzuki, Andrea de Cesaris)
Lola – Hart (Michele Alboreto, Luca Badoer)
Minardi – Ford (Christian Fittipaldi / Jean-Marc Gounon, Fabrizzio Barbazza / Pierluigi Martini)
Ligier – Renault (Mark Blundell, Erik Comas) (Comas +1)
Sauber – Ilmor (Karl Wendlinger, JJ Lehto)



Alain Prost 111 (6 wins, 5 seconds, 1 third)
Ayrton Senna 93 (7wins, 3 thirds)
Damon Hill 88 (3 wins, 5 seconds, 3 thirds)
Michael Schumacher 48 (1 second, 2 thirds)
Martin Brundle 45 (1 second)
Riccardo Patrese 35 (1 second, 2 thirds)
Gerhard Berger 31 (1 second, 1 third)
Mark Blundell 29 (1 second, 1 third)
Jean Alesi 24 (1 second, 1 third)
Johnny Herbert 19 (1 third)
Christian Fittipaldi 16
JJ Lehto 16
Karl Wendlinger 15 (1 third)
Philippe Alliot 9
Rubens Barrichello 9
Derek Warwick 8
Erik Comas 7
Fabrizzio Barbazza 6
Alessandro Zanardi 5
Pierluigi Martini 5
Aguri Suzuki 3
Luca Badoer 2

Williams - Renault 199
McLaren - Honda 124
Benetton - Ford 80
Jordan - Ford 57
Ligier - Renault 36
Tyrrell - Honda 27
Minardi - Ford 27
Lotus - Ford 24
Larrousse - Lamborghini 9
Footwork - Yamaha 8
Lola - Hart 2

[domi-kun]

1994

Williams – Renault (Damon Hill, Ayrton Senna) Senna doesn’t die, Senna’s points are Williams Second driver +1
Tyrrell – Honda (Jean Alesi, Ukyo Katayama) Katayama +1
Benetton – Ford (Martin Brundle, JJ Lehto / Jos Verstappen) Brundle +1
McLaren – Honda (Gerhard Berger, Mika Häkkinen) Both +1
Footwork – Ford (Christian Fittipaldi, Gianni Morbidelli)
Lotus – Ford (Pedro Lamy, Phillippe Adams, Mika Salo, Alessandro Zanardi, Johnny Herbert, Eric Bernard)
Jordan – Peugeot (Michael Schumacher, Rubens Barrichello) Schumacher -1
Larrousse – Ford (Olivier Beretta, Philippe Alliot, Yannick Dalmas, Hideki Noda, Erik Comas, Jean – Denis Deletraz)
Minardi – Ford (Pierluigi Martini, Michele Alboreto)
Ligier – Renault (Mark Blundell – Olivier Panis) (Blundell +1)
Sauber – Mercedes (Karl Wendlinger / Andrea de Cesaris, Heinz-Harald Frentzen)
Simtek – Ford (David Brabham, Roland Ratzenberger, Andrea Montermini, Jean-Marc Gounon, Domenico Schiattarella, Taki Inoue)
Pacific – Ilmor (Paul Belmondo, Bertrand Gachot)

Damon Hill 103 (7 wins, 2 seconds, 2 thirds)
Mika Häkkinen 66 (3 wins, 4 seconds)
Gerhard Berger 65 (3 wins, 3 seconds, 1 third)
Michael Schumacher 61 (4 seconds, 3 thirds)
Ayrton Senna 46 (2 wins, 2 thirds)
Jean Alesi 36 (1 second, 2 thirds)
Martin Brundle 34 (1 win, 2 thirds)
Rubens Barrichello 28 (1 third)
Olivier Panis 21 (1 second)
Mark Blundell 20 (1 second)
Heinz - Harald Frentzen 20
Ukyo Katayama 19 (1 third)
Christian Fittipaldi 15
Jos Verstappen 12
Pierluigi Martini 10
Eric Bernard 10 (1 third)
Erik Comas 10
Johnny Herbert 9
Karl Wendlinger 8
Andrea de Cesaris 8
Gianni Morbidelli 8
JJ Lehto 5
Michele Alboreto 5
Olivier Beretta 3
Pedro Lamy 1
Alessandro Zanardi 1

Williams - Renault 149
McLaren - Honda 131
Jordan - Peugeot 89
Tyrrell - Honda 53
Benetton - Ford 51
Ligier - Renault 41
Sauber - Mercedes 36
Footwork - Ford 23
Lotus - Ford 21
Minardi - Ford 15
Larrousse - Ford 13

[domi-kun]

1995

Williams – Renault (Damon Hill, Ayrton Senna) Senna = Coulthard +1
Tyrrell – Honda (Jean Alesi, Ukyo Katayama / Gabriele Tarquini ) Katayama = Salo +1
Benetton had to continue with Ford Engines, (Martin Brundle, Johnny Herbert) Brundle = Brundle + Suzuki +1
McLaren – Honda (Gerhard Berger, Mika Häkkinen / Jan Magnussen) All +1
Footwork – Hart (Max Papis / Gianni Morbidelli, Taki Inoue)
Simtek – Ford (Domenico Schiattarella, Jos Verstappen)
Jordan – Peugeot (Rubens Barrichello, Eddie Irvine)
Pacific – Ford (Bertrandt Gachot / Giovanni Lavaggi / Jean – Denis Deletraz, Mika Salo) Salo = Katayama
Larrousse – Ford (JC Boullion, Andrea Montermini)
Forti – Ford (Pedro Diniz – Roberto Moreno)
Minardi got the Mugen Engines they wanted (Pierluigi Martini / Pedro Lamy, Luca Badoer) All +1
Ligier continued engine deal with Renault (Mark Blundell, Olivier Panis)
Sauber also continued with Mercedes (Michael Schumacher, Heinz – Harald Frentzen) Schumacher -1

Damon Hill 87 (6 wins, 2 seconds, 1 third)
Ayrton Senna 78 (5 wins, 2 seconds, 1 third)
Johnny Herbert 66 (2 wins, 1 second, 2 thirds)
Michael Schumacher 66 (2 seconds, 4 thirds)
Gerhard Berger 64 (6 seconds, 2 thirds)
Jean Alesi 54 (2 wins, 1 second, 1 third)
Mika Häkkinen 36 (2 wins, 1 third)
Heinz - Harald Frentzen 31 (1 third)
Olivier Panis 31 (1 second)
Martin Brundle 25 (1 second)
Ukyo Katayama 24
Mark Blundell 22
Rubens Barrichello 20 (1 second)
Eddie Irvine 16 (1 third)
Gianni Morbidelli 10 (1 third)
JC Boullion 7
Pierluigi Martini 6
Pedro Lamy 6
Luca Badoer 4
Mika Salo 3
Max Papis 2
Pedro Diniz 2
Andrea Montermini 1
Taki Inoue 1
Bertrandt Gachot 1

Williams - Renault 165
McLaren - Honda 100
Sauber - Mercedes 97
Benetton - Ford 91
Tyrrell - Honda 78
Ligier - Renault 53
Jordan - Peugeot 36
Minardi - Mugen 16
Footwork - Hart 13
Larrousse - Ford 8
Pacific - Ford 4
Forti - Ford 2

[domi-kun]

1996

Benetton – Ford has fallen behind a bit (Johnny Herbert , David Coulthard) Herbert +1
Williams – Renault (Damon Hill, Ayrton Senna) Senna = Villeneuve +1
McLaren – Honda = (Gerhard Berger, Mika Häkkinen) Both +1
Ligier – Renault = (Olivier Panis, Eddie Irvine)
Jordan – Peugeot = (Rubens Barrichello, Martin Brundle)
Sauber – Mercedes = (Michael Schumacher, Heinz-Harald Frentzen)
Footwork – Hard = (Ricardo Rosset, Jos Verstappen)
Tyrrell – Honda = (Jean Alesi, Ukyo Katayama) Katayama +1
Larrousse – Ford = (Mika Salo, Pedro Diniz) -1
Minardi – Mugen (Pedro Lamy, Giancarlo Fisichella / Tarso Marques / Giovanni Lavaggi) all +1
Forti – Ford (Luca Badoer, Andrea Montermini)

Ayrton Senna 111 (9 wins, 2 seconds)
Damon Hill 96 (4 wins, 6 seconds)
Mika Häkkinen 70 (3 seconds, 3 thirds)
Michael Schumacher 61 (2 wins, 1 second, 3 thirds)
Jean Alesi 60 (1 second, 5 thirds)
Gerhard Berger 44 (2 seconds 3 thirds)
David Coulthard 30 (2 thirds)
Olivier Panis 28 (1 win)
Rubens Barrichello 27 (1 second)
Eddie Irvine 19
Johnny Herbert 18
Heinz - Harald Frentzen 17
Martin Brundle 14
Mika Salo 9
Jos Verstappen 6
Ukyo Katayama 6
Pedro Diniz 4
Giancarlo Fisichella 2
Pedro Lamy 1
Ricardo Rosset 1



Williams - Renault 207
McLaren - Honda 114
Sauber - Mercedes 78
Tyrrell - Honda 66
Benetton - Ford 48
Ligier - Renault 47
Jordan - Peugeot 41
Larrousse - Ford 13
Footwork - Hart 7
Minardi - Mugen 3

[Wizzie]

Ooh this looks fun. Can I do a season?
If so I pick 2008

[domi-kun]

Ooh this looks fun. Can I do a season?
If so I pick 2008

Sure If you want to, but please use the same rules that I have used.
Use real results.
If you put (-) or (+) on some driver then put his position like this. If Schumacher is -1 and if he is second in real life, he is third in this "fantasy" and the driver that was third in real life will be second.

[Bleu]

How does it work if let's say, driver who actually finished 2nd has -1 and driver finishing 4th +1? They would both go to 3rd.

[domi-kun]

How does it work if let's say, driver who actually finished 2nd has -1 and driver finishing 4th +1? They would both go to 3rd.

I put an example here

Real Life
1 Schumacher -1
2 Häkkinen
3 Coulthard +1

Fantasy
1 Häkkinen
2 Coulthard
3 Schumacher

[domi-kun]

1997

Williams – Renault, Berger goes to Williams for his last season, (Ayrton Senna, Gerhard Berger / Alexander Wurz) Berger and Wurz +1, Senna = Villeneuve
Benetton – Ford (Giancarlo Fisichella, Johnny Herbert)
McLaren – Honda (Mika Häkkinen, David Coulthard) both +1
Jordan – Peugeot (Damon Hill, Ralf Schumacher) Hill +1
Ligier – Renault (Olivier Panis / Jarno Trulli, Eddie Irvine)
Sauber – Mercedes (Michael Schumacher, Heinz – Harald Frentzen)
Tyrrell – Honda (Jean Alesi, Shinji Nakano) Nakano +1
Arrows – Yamaha (Jos Verstappen, Pedro Diniz)
Minardi – Mugen (Ukyo Katayama, Jarno Trulli / Tarso Marques) all +1
Stewart – Ford (Rubens Barrichello, Jan Magnussen)
Lola – Hart (Mika Salo, Nicola Larini / Gianni Morbidelli / Norberto Fontana) all -1

Michael Schumacher 87 (5 wins, 1 second, 1 third)
Ayrton Senna 82 (4 wins, 2 seconds, 1 third)
Heinz - Harald Frentzen 58 (1 win, 2 seconds, 3 thirds)
Jean Alesi 54 (3 seconds, 1 third)
Gerhard Berger 54 (2 wins, 3 thirds)
David Coulthard 54 (3 wins, 1 second, 1 third)
Mika Häkkinen 50 (1 win, 2 seconds, 2 thirds)
Giancarlo Fisichella 37 (1 second, 1 third)
Eddie Irvine 35 (1 second, 2 thirds)
Olivier Panis 29 (1 second)
Johnny Herbert 27 (1 third)
Ralf Schumacher 22 (1 third)
Damon Hill 21 (1 win)
Shinji Nakano 14
Jarno Trulli 9
Rubens Barrichello 8 (1 second)
Alexander Wurz 8 (1 second)
Pedro Diniz 6
Nicola Larini 3
Mika Salo 3
Jan Magnussen 2


Sauber - Mercedes 145
Williams - Renault 144
McLaren - Honda 104
Ligier - Renault 71
Tyrrell - Honda 68
Benetton - Ford 64
Jordan - Peugeot 43
Stewart - Ford 10
Arrows - Yamaha 6
Lola - Hart 6
Minardi - Mugen 2

[domi-kun]

1998

Williams – Renault (Ayrton Senna, Alexander Wurz) Senna = Villeneuve +1, Wurz +1
Benetton – Peugeot (Giancarlo Fisichella, Johnny Herbert)
McLaren – Honda (Mika Häkkinen, David Coulthard)
Jordan signs engine deal with Honda, (Damon Hill, Ralf Schumacher) both +1
Ligier – Renault (Eddie Irvine, Jean Alesi) Irvine -1, Alesi +1
Sauber – Mercedes (Michael Schumacher, Heinz – Harald Frentzen)
Arrows – Yamaha (Pedro Diniz, Jan Magnussen / Jos Verstappen)
Stewart – Ford (Rubens Barrichello, Jarno Trulli)
Tyrrell, lost their Honda Engines and Alesi, are they in trouble now with Ford engines and drivers Olivier Panis and Ricardo Rossett.
Minardi Mugen (Toranosuke Takagi, Shinji Nakano) both +1
Lola – Hart (Mika Salo, Esteban Tuero) both -1

Mika Häkkinen 109 (8 wins, 3 seconds)
Michael Schumacher 95 (6wins, 2 seconds, 1 third )
David Coulthard 71 (1 win, 5 seconds, 1 third)
Ayrton Senna 59 (2 seconds, 3 thirds)
Eddie Irvine 49 (1 third)
Damon Hill 43 (1 win, 2 thirds)
Alexander Wurz 41 (3 thirds)
Heinz - Harald Frentzen 33 (1 third)
Ralf Schumacher 32 (2 seconds)
Jean Alesi 29 (1 third)
Giancarlo Fisichella 23 (2 seconds)
Rubens Barrichello 7
Johnny Herbert 7
Pedro Diniz 7
Shinji Nakano 6
Mika Salo 4
Jan Magnussen 3
Jarno Trulli 3
Toranosuke Takagi 2
Ricardo Rossett 1

McLaren - Honda 198
Sauber - Mercedes 128
Williams - Renault 100
Ligier - Renault 78
Jordan - Honda 75
Benetton - Peugeot 30
Stewart - Ford 10
Arrows - Yamaha 10
Minardi - Mugen 8
Lola - Hart 4
Tyrrell - Ford 1

[domi-kun]

1999

McLaren – Honda (Mika Häkkinen, David Coulthard)
Williams – Renault (Ralf Schumacher, Alexander Wurz) both +1
Sauber – Mercedes (Michael Schumacher / Mika Salo, Heinz – Harald Frentzen)
Jordan – Honda (Damon Hill, Jarno Trulli) both +1
Benetton – Peugeot (Giancarlo Fisichella, Johnny Herbert)
Stewart – Ford (Rubens Barrichello, Eddie Irvine) Irvine -1
Ligier – Renault (Olivier Panis, Jean Alesi) both +1
Arrows – Yamaha (Pedro Diniz, Pedro de la Rosa)
Minardi – Mugen (Luca Badoer / Stephane Sarrazzin, Toranosuke Takagi) all +1
Tyrrell signed to be third team to use Renault engines; they chose two rookie drivers CART Champion Jacques Villeneuve and former McLaren Test driver Ricardo Zonta, and Mika Salo as test driver / third

driver.
Lola - Hart (Alessandro Zanardi, Marc Gene) -1

Mika Häkkinen 90 (5 wins, 3 seconds, 2 thirds)
Ralf Schumacher 72 (1 win, 2 seconds, 5 thirds)
Heinz - Harald Frentzen 70 (2 wins, 1 second, 3 thirds)
Eddie Irvine 62 (2 seconds, 3 thirds)
David Coulthard 61 (3 wins, 2 thirds)
Michael Schumacher 57 (3 wins, 2 seconds)
Rubens Barrichello 30
Jarno Trulli 26 (1 win)
Damon Hill 24 (1 third)
Giancarlo Fisichella 22 (1 second)
Mika Salo 20 (1 second, 1 third)
Alexander Wurz 20
Johnny Herbert 20 (1 second)
Jean Alesi 14
Olivier Panis 11
Pedro Diniz 7
Toranosuke Takagi 5
Jacques Villeneuve 3
Ricardo Zonta 3
Pedro de la Rosa 2
Luca Badoer 2
Marc Gene 2
Alessandro Zanardi 1

McLaren - Honda 151
Sauber - Mercedes 145
Williams - Renault 92
Stewart - Ford 92
Jordan - Honda 50
Benetton - Peugeot 42
Ligier - Renault 25
Arrows - Yamaha 9
Tyrrell - Renault 8
Minardi - Mugen 7
Lola - Hart 3

[domi-kun]

2000

McLaren signed Michael Schumacher to drive alongside Mika Häkkinen and got a deal with Mercedes engines.
Jordan – Honda (Jarno Trulli – Jenson Button) both +1
Jaguar – Cosworth (Eddie Irvine, Rubens Barrichello) Barrichello -1
Williams signed engine deal with BMW with drivers Ralf Schumacher and Alexander Wurz (Wurz +1)
Benetton got Renault Engines continuing with same drivers Johnny Herbert and Giancarlo Fisichella (Herbert +1)
Ligier team got Peugeot engines which were quite outdated (Jean Alesi, Nick Heidfeld)
After Michael Schumacher left Sauber, Mercedes left too, Sauber got Malaysian Proton Petronas Engines (Heinz-Harald Frentzen, Pedro Diniz)
Second team with Renault engines was arrows (Pedro de la Rosa, Jos Verstappen) both +1
Minardi – Mugen (Marc Gene, Gaston Mazzacane) both +1
Tyrrell got Honda engines back (Jacques Villeneuve, Ricardo Zonta)
Toyota came as new team signing David Coulthard and Mika Salo (Coulthard -1 Salo +1)

Michael Schumacher 116 (9 wins, 2 seconds, 1 third)
Mika Häkkinen 116 (7 wins, 5 seconds)
David Coulthard 70 (3 seconds, 3 thirds)
Rubens Barrichello 59 (1 second, 2 thirds)
Ralf Schumacher 41 (2 seconds, 2 thirds)
Giancarlo Fisichella 37 (1 win, 2 seconds, 1 third)
Jacques Villeneuve 35 (1 second, 2 thirds)
Jenson Button 33 (2 thirds)
Mika Salo 30
Jarno Trulli 21 (1 third)
Eddie Irvine 21 (1 third)
Heinz - Harald Frentzen 20 (1 second)
Jos Verstappen 14 (1 third)
Alexander Wurz 12
Pedro de la Rosa 10
Ricardo Zonta 10
Johnny Herbert 9
Marc Gene 4
Pedro Diniz 3
Gaston Mazzacane 2

McLaren - Mercedes 232
Toyota 100
Jaguar - Cosworth 80
Jordan - Honda 54
Williams - BMW 53
Benetton - Renault 46
Tyrrell - Honda 45
Arrows - Renault 24
Sauber - Proton Petronas 23
Minardi - Mugen 6

[shinji]

This is a really interesting concept!

Might we be experiencing it in real life soon though?

Or will F1 exist at all next year?

[domi-kun]

2001

McLaren – Mercedes (Michael Schumacher, Mika Häkkinen)
Toyota (David Coulthard, Mika Salo) Salo = Räikkönen, Coulthard -1
Jaguar – Cosworth (Eddie Irvine, Luciano Burti / Pedro de la Rosa)
Williams – BMW (Ralf Schumacher, Juan Pablo Montoya)
Benetton – Renault (Giancarlo Fisichella, Rubens Barrichello) Fisichella +1
Tyrrell – Honda (Olivier Panis, Jacques Villeneuve) both +1
Jordan – Honda (Jarno Trulli, Jenson Button) both +1
Arrows – Renault (Jos Verstappen, Enrique Bernoldi) both +1
Sauber – Proton Petronas (Heinz-Harald Frentzen / Ricardo Zonta, Nick Heidfeld)
Minardi – Mugen (Tarso Marques / Alex Yoong, Fernando Alonso) both +1
Ligier – Peugeot (Jean Alesi, Gaston Mazzacane / Tomas Enge / Luciano Burti)


Michael Schumacher 139 (11 wins 3 seconds)
Rubens Barrichello 82 (6 seconds 3 thirds)
David Coulthard 66 (1 second 3 thirds)
Ralf Schumacher 62 (3 wins, 1 second 2 thirds)
Mika Häkkinen 49 (2 wins 2 thirds)
Juan Pablo Montoya 37 (1 win 2 seconds)
Jacques Villeneuve 36 (2 seconds)
Jarno Trulli 31 (2 thirds)
Nick Heidfeld 24 (1 third)
Olivier Panis 22
Mika Salo 21
Giancarlo Fisichella 20 (1 third)
Heinz - Harald Frentzen 16 (1 third)
Jean Alesi 15
Eddie Irvine 12
Jenson Button 11
Jos Verstappen 9
Pedro de la Rosa 6
Ricardo Zonta 2
Enrique Bernoldi 2
Luciano Burti 1
Tarso Marques 1

McLaren - Mercedes 188
Benetton - Renault 102
Williams - BMW 99
Toyota 87
Tyrrell - Honda 58
Jordan - Honda 42
Sauber - Proton Petronas 40
Jaguar - Cosworth 29
Ligier - Peugeot 15
Arrows - Renault 11
Minardi - Mugen 1

[domi-kun]

2002

McLaren’s performance wasn’t as good as last year (Michael Schumacher, Nick Heidfeld) Schumacher -2
Benetton – Renault (Rubens Barrichello, Jenson Button)
Williams – BMW (Ralf Schumacher, Juan Pablo Montoya)
Toyota (David Coulthard, Mika Salo) Coulthard -1
Tyrrell – Honda (Jacques Villeneuve, Olivier Panis)
Jordan – Honda (Jarno Trulli, Takuma Sato)
Sauber Proton Petronas (Kimi Räikkönen, Felipe Massa) Räikkönen -1
Jaguar – Cosworth (Eddie Irvine, Pedro de la Rosa)
Ligier – Peugeot (Giancarlo Fisichella, Allan McNish) both -1
Frentzen decided to leave Sauber at last, but it wasn’t a good decision, Arrows had lost Renault engines and were in financial trouble, Arrows – Asiatech (Heinz – Harald Frentzen, Enrique Bernoldi)
Minardi – Mugen (Alex Yoong / Anthony Davidson, Mark Webber) all +1




Rubens Barrichello 107 (10 wins, )
Juan Pablo Montoya 97 (4 wins, 6 seconds)
Michael Schumacher 97 (13 thirds)
Ralf Schumacher 84 (3 wins, 5 seconds)
David Coulthard 48 (1 second)
Jenson Button 40 (1 second, 2 thirds)
Nick Heidfeld 26 (1 second)
Kimi Räikkönen 26
Jarno Trulli 24 (1 second, 1 third)
Eddie Irvine 21 (2 seconds)
Jacques Villeneuve 19
Felipe Massa 18
Giancarlo Fisichella 13
Olivier Panis 8
Mika Salo 8
Heinz - Harald Frentzen 7
Mark Webber 7
Takuma Sato 5
Pedro de la Rosa 4
Alex Yoong 3
Allan McNish 1


Williams - BMW 181
Benetton - Renault 147
McLaren - Mercedes 123
Toyota 56
Sauber - Proton Petronas 44
Jordan - Honda 29
Tyrrell - Honda 27
Jaguar - Cosworth 25
Ligier - Peugeot 14
Minardi - Mugen 10
Arrows - Asiatech 7

[domi-kun]

2003

Williams – BMW (Juan Pablo Montoya, Ralf Schumacher / Marc Gene)
Renault bought Benetton on the start of 2003 (Rubens Barrichello, Fernando Alonso)
McLaren – Mercedes has improved from last year, but not enough (Michael Schumacher, Nick Heidfeld) Schumacher -1
Toyota (David Coulthard, Christiano da Matta) Coulthard -1
Sauber – Proton Petronas (Kimi Räikkönen, Heinz – Harald Frentzen) Räikkönen -1
Jordan got Mugen engines from Minardi (Jarno Trulli, Ralph Firman / Zsolt Baumgartner)
Jaguar – Cosworth (Mark Webber, Antonio Pizzonia / Justin Wilson)
Honda concentrated only on Tyrrell with drivers Jenson Button and Takuma Sato, (Sato = Villeneuve)
Ligier – Peugeot (Giancarlo Fisichella, Olivier Panis) both -1
Minardi – Ford (Justin Wilson / Nicolas Kiesa, Jos Verstappen)

Juan Pablo Montoya 85 (4 wins, 4 seconds, 1 third)
Rubens Barrichello 76 (5 wins, 3 seconds)
Ralf Schumacher 73 (3 wins, 2 seconds)
Kimi Räikkönen 69 (1 second, 7 thirds)
Fernando Alonso 62 (3 firsts, 1 third)
Michael Schumacher 62 (5 seconds)
David Coulthard 44 (1 second, 1 third)
Jarno Trulli 39 (1 second 2 thirds)
Mark Webber 23 (1 third)
Jenson Button 22 (1 second)
Heinz - Harald Frentzen 19 (1 win)
Christiano da Matta 11
Takuma Sato 10
Giancarlo Fisichella 9 (1 second)
Nick Heidfeld 7
Marc Gene 5
Olivier Panis 3
Justin Wilson 2
Ralph Firman 1
Jos Verstappen 1

Williams - BMW 163
Renault 138
Sauber - Proton Petronas 88
McLaren - Mercedes 69
Toyota 55
Jordan - Mugen 40
Tyrrell - Honda 32
Jaguar - Cosworth 25
Ligier - Peugeot 12
Minardi - Ford 1

[Wizzie]

If Schumacer had 13 thirds in 02 (which is worth 52 points in total) and there were 17 races in 02 where did the other 45 points come from?
Sorry... just had to point out your rejectdom maths.

[domi-kun]

If Schumacer had 13 thirds in 02 (which is worth 52 points in total) and there were 17 races in 02 where did the other 45 points come from?
Sorry... just had to point out your rejectdom maths.

Let me correct you, I have always used points system as best of 8, 10,8,6,5,4,3,2,1. I wrote it there in the beginning of the thread So if Schumacher is 3rd 13 times he has 78 points, also he has 3 4th places thats 78+15 = 93, and 1 5th place so 93+4=97.
And yes, I suck at maths, that's why i made excel charts to make it easier to count.

[domi-kun]

2004

Williams – BMW (Juan Pablo Montoya, Ralf Schumacher / Marc Gene / Antonio Pizzonia)
Renault (Rubens Barrichello, Fernando Alonso)
Sauber – Proton Petronas (Kimi Räikkönen, Felipe Massa) Räikkönen -1
McLaren – Mercedes (Michael Schumacher, Nick Heidfeld) Schumacher -2, Heidfeld +2
Toyota (David Coulthard, Christiano da Matta / Ricardo Zonta)
Jordan – Mugen (Jarno Trulli, Giorgio Pantano / Timo Glock ) Trulli -1
Tyrrell – Honda (Jenson Button, Takuma Sato)
Jaguar – Cosworth (Mark Webber, Christian Klien)
Ligier – Peugeot (Giancarlo Fisichella, Olivier Panis) Both -1
Minardi – Ford (Gianmaria Bruni, Zsolt Baumgartner)


Rubens Barrichello 141 (11 wins, 2 seconds 1 third)
Jenson Button 108 (3 wins, 8 seconds, )
Michael Schumacher 90 (15 thirds)
Fernando Alonso 74 (1 win, 4 seconds, 1 third)
Juan Pablo Montoya 65 (2 wins, 1 second)
Takuma Sato 39 (1 second)
Jarno Trulli 36 (1 second)
Kimi Räikkönen 31 (1 second, 1 third)
Ralf Schumacher 26 (1 win)
Felipe Massa 15
David Coulthard 14
Giancarlo Fisichella 13
Mark Webber 12
Nick Heidfeld 10
Antonio Pizzonia 7
Zsolt Baumgartner 6
Timo Glock 5
Christian Klien 4
Olivier Panis 3
Christiano da Matta 2
Ricardo Zonta 1

Renault 215
Tyrrell - Honda 147
McLaren - Mercedes 100
Williams - BMW 98
Sauber - Proton Petronas 46
Jordan - Mugen 41
Toyota 17
Ligier - Peugeot 16
Jaguar - Cosworth 16
Minardi - Ford 6

[domi-kun]

2005

Renault (Rubens Barrichello, Fernando Alonso)
Tyrrell – Honda (Jenson Button, Takuma Sato / Anthony Davidson)
McLaren Mercedes (Michael Schumacher, Nick Heidfeld / Antonio Pizzonia) Heidfeld +1, Pizzonia +1
Williams – BMW (Juan Pablo Montoya/Pedro de la Rosa/Alexander Wurz, Mark Webber)
Sauber – Proton Petronas (Kimi Räikkönen, Jacques Villeneuve) Räikkönen -1
Jordan – Toyota (Giancarlo Fisichella, Narain Karthikeyan) Fisichella -1
Toyota (Ralf Schumacher, Jarno Trulli)
Ligier – Peugeot (Felipe Massa, Tiago Monteiro)
Red Bull – Cosworth (David Coulthard, Christian Klien / Vitantonio Liuzzi)
Minardi got their Mugen engines back (Patrick Friesacher / Robert Doornbos, Christijan Albers) all +1

For USA Grand Prix, I used the starting grid as race results.

Fernando Alonso 146 (10 wins, 4 seconds, 1 third)
Kimi Räikkönen 94 (7 seconds, 4 thirds)
Michael Schumacher 64 (2 wins, 2 seconds)
Juan Pablo Montoya 61 (3 wins, 1 second, 1 third)
Jarno Trulli 53 (1 win, 1 second, 2 thirds)
Giancarlo Fisichella 50 (1 second, 1 third)
Ralf Schumacher 48 (1 second, 2 thirds)
Jenson Button 47 (1 second, 3 thirds)
Mark Webber 37 (1 third)
Nick Heidfeld 36 (2 wins, 1 second)
Rubens Barrichello 35 (1 win, 2 thirds)
David Coulthard 24
Felipe Massa 11
Jacques Villeneuve 9
Christian Klien 9
Alexander Wurz 6 (1 third)
Pedro de la Rosa 4
Antonio Pizzonia 3
Takuma Sato 2
Vitantonio Liuzzi 1
Tiago Monteiro 1

Renault 181
Williams - BMW 113
Sauber - Proton Petronas 103
McLaren - Mercedes 103
Toyota 101
Jordan - Toyota 50
Tyrrell - Honda 49
Red Bull - Cosworth 25
Liger - Peugeot 12

[domi-kun]

2006

Renault (Fernando Alonso, Felipe Massa)
Williams – Cosworth (Mark Webber, Nico Rosberg)
Sauber – BMW (Kimi Räikkönen, Robert Kubica) Kubica = Villeneuve + Kubica
McLaren – Mercedes (Michael Schumacher, Nick Heidfeld) Heidfeld +1
Toyota (Jarno Trulli, Ralf Schumacher)
Jordan – Toyota (Giancarlo Fisichella, Juan Pablo Montoya / Pedro de la Rosa) all -1
Tyrrell – Honda (Jenson Button, Rubens Barrichello)
Red Bull – Peugeot (David Coulthard, Christian Klien / Robert Doornbos)
Ligier – Cosworth (Vitantonio Liuzzi, Tiago Monteiro) both +1
Minardi – Cosworth (Christijan Albers, Scott Speed)
Super Aguri – Honda (Takuma Sato, Yuji Ide / Sakon Yamamoto / Franck Montagny)



Fernando Alonso 127 (8 wins, 6 seconds)
Michael Schumacher 120 (7 wins, 4 seconds, 1 third )
Felipe Massa 85 (2 wins, 3 seconds, 4 thirds)
Kimi Räikkönen 65 (2 seconds, 4 thirds)
Jenson Button 59 (1 win, 4 thirds)
Giancarlo Fisichella 56 (1 second)
Nick Heidfeld 35 (1 seconds, 1 third)
Rubens Barrichello 30
Ralf Schumacher 21
Juan Pablo Montoya 20 (1 third)
David Coulthard 15 (1 seconds)
Jarno Trulli 15 (1 third)
Robert Kubica 15 (1 third)
Pedro de la Rosa 12 (1 third)
Mark Webber 8
Nico Rosberg 5
Vitantonio Liuzzi 2
Christian Klien 2
Tiago Monteiro 1


Renault 212
McLaren - Mercedes 155
Tyrrell - Honda 89
Jordan - Toyota 88
Sauber - BMW 80
Toyota 36
Red Bull - Peugeot 17
Williams - Cosworth 13
Ligier - Cosworth 3

[domi-kun]

2007

Alonso didn’t leave Renault, but downhill for the team has started (Fernando Alonso, Felipe Massa) both -1
McLaren – Mercedes (Nick Heidfeld, Lewis Hamilton) Heidfeld +1
It was a sad season for Tyrrell – Honda, (Jenson Button, Rubens Barrichello) both +1
Jordan – Cosworth (Giancarlo Fisichella, Heikki Kovalainen) both -1
Sauber – BMW (Kimi Räikkönen, Robert Kubica / Sebastian Vettel)
Toyota (Ralf Schumacher , Jarno Trulli)
Red Bull – Renault (David Coulthard, Mark Webber)
Williams – Toyota (Nico Rosberg, Alexander Wurz / Kazuki Nakajima)
Ligier – Peugeot (Vitantonio Liuzzi, Adrian Sutil) both +1
Minardi – Cosworth (Scott Speed / Sebastian Vettel, Christijan Albers / Markus Winkelhock / Sakon Yamamoto)
Super Aguri – Honda (Takuma Sato, Anthony Davidson)



Lewis Hamilton 127 (8 wins, 5 seconds)
Kimi Räikkönen 113 (7 wins, 2 thirds)
Fernando Alonso 83 (4 seconds, 3 thirds)
Nick Heidfeld 77 (1 win, 1 seconds, 5 thirds)
Felipe Massa 68 (3 seconds, 4 thirds)
Robert Kubica 45 (2 thirds)
Nico Rosberg 27 (1 second)
Heikki Kovalainen 19 (1 third)
Mark Webber 14 (1 win)

Alexander Wurz 14 (1 third)
Giancarlo Fisichella 13
David Coulthard 13
Jarno Trulli 11
Jenson Button 10
Sebastian Vettel 9 (1 second)
Ralf Schumacher 6
Takuma Sato 5
Vitantonio Liuzzi 5
Rubens Barrichello 2
Adrian Sutil 2

McLaren - Mercedes 204
Sauber - BMW 159
Renault 151
Williams - Toyota 41
Jordan - Cosworth 32
Red Bull - Renault 27
Toyota 17
Tyrrell - Honda 12
Minardi - Cosworth 8
Ligier - Peugeot 7
Super Aguri - Honda 5

[domi-kun]

2008

McLaren – Mercedes (Lewis Hamilton, Nick Heidfeld) Heidfeld +1
Sauber – BMW (Kimi Räikkönen, Robert Kubica)
Renault (Fernando Alonso, Felipe Massa) Alonso +1
Williams – Toyota (Nico Rosberg, Kazuki Nakajima)
Jordan – Cosworth (Timo Glock, Heikki Kovalainen) both -1
Red Bull - Renault (David Coulthard, Mark Webber)
Toyota (Jarno Trulli, Sebastian Vettel) Vettel +1
Tyrrell – Honda (Jenson Button, Rubens Barrichello) both +1
Minardi – Cosworth (Giancarlo Fisichella, Adrian Sutil)
Ligier – Peugeot (Nelson Piquet.Jr, Sebastien Bourdais) Piquet -1
Super Aguri – Honda (Takuma Sato, Anthony Davidson)

Felipe Massa 96 (4 wins, 5 seconds, 1 thirds)
Lewis Hamilton 88 (3 wins, 3 seconds, 3 thirds)
Kimi Räikkönen 79 (3 wins, 2 seconds, 2 thirds)
Nick Heidfeld 78 (4 wins, 2 thirds)
Robert Kubica 73 (5 seconds, 1 third)
Fernando Alonso 71 (3 wins, 5 thirds)
Sebastian Vettel 45 (1 win, 1 third)
Heikki Kovalainen 36 (1 second)
Jarno Trulli 36 (2 thirds)
Nico Rosberg 17 (1 second)
Mark Webber 16
Rubens Barrichello 15 (1 second)
Timo Glock 15
Nelson Piquet. Jr 11
Kazuki Nakajima 9
David Coulthard 8 (1 third)
Jenson Button 5
Sebastien Bourdais 4

Renault 167
McLaren - Mercedes 166
Sauber - BMW 152
Toyota 81
Jordan - Cosworth 51
Williams - Toyota 26
Red Bull - Renault 24
Tyrrell - Honda 20
Ligier - Peugeot 15