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by **Bleu** » 24 May 2009, 06:11

2003 stats, Ralf goes further ahead:

Code: Select all: RSC 178 RÄI 131 ALO 109 MON 101 MSC 93 TRU 90 COU 89 BAR 76 BUT 66 DAM 30 WEB 18 HEI 17 VIL 10 FRE 5 FIS 2 PAN 1 WIL 1 SAT 1

overall 1999-2003:

Code: Select all: RSC 617 BAR 460 COU 411 FRE 317 HÄK 281 TRU 247 MSC 201 RÄI 191 MON 189 IRV 180 VIL 170 ALO 109 FIS 108 BUT 91 PAN 51 VER 39 DLR 38 DAM 30 HER 26 HEI 25 SAL 20 WEB 18 WUR 14 ALE 13 ZAN 11 ZON 9 MAZ 4 BAD 3 WIL 1 SAT 1

Website · by **Wizzie** » 24 May 2009, 12:20

After Bleu finishes answering that question we'll have another Trivia question. The question is:
Which 2 current Formula 1 Drivers DID NOT win a major single seater feeder catagory (not karting or FF) before making it into Formula 1?

by **RejectSteve** » 24 May 2009, 15:00

Wizzie wrote:After Bleu finishes answering that question we'll have another Trivia question. The question is:
Which 2 current Formula 1 Drivers DID NOT win a major single seater feeder catagory (not karting or FF) before making it into Formula 1?

Piquet and Buemi? Even if he isn't one, Buemi is doing a stellar job in F1 as far as I'm concerned. He never impressed me much in GP2 or Euro F3.

Website · by **Wizzie** » 24 May 2009, 16:00

1 out of 2 Reject Steve. Piquet won the 2004 British F3 championship.

by **Paul Hayes** » 24 May 2009, 17:18

I don't actually know the answer to this one for certain, but I was randomly wondering... who has had the most past-or-future world champion team-mates? Is it Nigel Mansell? He had 6, I think - Andretti, Rosberg, Piquet, Prost, Hill and Hakkinen.

by **Paul Hayes** » 24 May 2009, 17:21

Wizzie wrote:1 out of 2 Reject Steve. Piquet won the 2004 British F3 championship.

It's Button, if we're not counting Formula Ford.

Website · by **Wizzie** » 24 May 2009, 17:33

I must have forgotten Button because Webber didn't win any major single seater catagories either.

by **DonTirri** » 24 May 2009, 19:42

Paul Hayes wrote:I don't actually know the answer to this one for certain, but I was randomly wondering... who has had the most past-or-future world champion team-mates? Is it Nigel Mansell? He had 6, I think - Andretti, Rosberg, Piquet, Prost, Hill and Hakkinen.

Hill is also close with 4. Prost, Senna, Mansell, Villeneuve

Prost also makes a strong case with 5. Lauda, Rosberg, Senna, Mansell, Hill.

Hmm, the williams merry-go-round had a lot of champ-pairings in the late eighties and early nineties :O

I've also wondered, who has had the most reject-teamies?

Moreno? He has Fabre, Raphanel, Bertaggia, Langes and McCarthy.

by **Bleu** » 24 May 2009, 21:39

Moreno wasn't team-mate for Fabre, he replaced Fabre.

I found that Tarquini has five: Winkelhock, Dalmas, Barbazza, Chiesa and van de Poele.
non-reject drivers:
Herbert has also five: Zanardi, Lamy, Adams, Fontana and Burti.

by **DonTirri** » 25 May 2009, 04:27

Actually, Ghinzani takes the cake with 6
Bebbe Gabbiani, Corrado Fabi, Gartner, Berg, Bernd Schneider, and Christian Danner (Well, he's a lucky Bastard, so he practically counts as a reject)

by **Bleu** » 25 May 2009, 16:41

back to 4th place laps with 2004 update

Code: Select all: BUT 223 MON 165 ALO 132 TRU 126 SAT 105 RSC 96 BAR 95 COU 57 RÄI 46 MSC 22 FIS 11 WEB 10 MAS 10 PIZ 8 PAN 6 ZON 5 DAM 3 KLI 1

Code: Select all: RSC 713 BAR 555 COU 468 TRU 373 MON 354 FRE 317 BUT 314 HÄK 281 ALO 241 RÄI 237 MSC 223 IRV 180 VIL 170 FIS 119 SAT 106 PAN 57 VER 39 DLR 38 DAM 33 WEB 28 HER 26 HEI 25 SAL 20 ZON 14 WUR 14 ALE 13 ZAN 11 MAS 10 PIZ 8 MAZ 4 BAD 3 KLI 1 WIL 1

Website · by **Wizzie** » 25 May 2009, 21:54

Here's an easy question: None of Michael Schumaker's teammates won the WDC during or after a stint as his teammate. Who came the closest to a WDC?
And before everyone goes Nelson Piquet Senior note I said DURING or AFTER a stint as his teammate and not before.

by **DonTirri** » 25 May 2009, 23:03

Wizzie wrote:Here's an easy question: None of Michael Schumaker's teammates won the WDC during or after a stint as his teammate. Who came the closest to a WDC?
And before everyone goes Nelson Piquet Senior note I said DURING or AFTER a stint as his teammate and not before.

Easy one: Eddie Irvine.

by **Bleu** » 26 May 2009, 01:38

2005. Webber was really strong in early season and no one could catch him. Narain Karthikeyan makes it into top 10.

Code: Select all: WEB 143 TRU 115 MSC 110 BAR 108 FIS 95 RSC 86 BUT 84 MON 77 KAR 63 RÄI 58 ALO 53 COU 45 WUR 39 HEI 35 KLI 17 SAT 16 MAS 13 ALB 9 VIL 8 PIZ 3 DLR 1

1999-2005:

Code: Select all: RSC 799 BAR 663 COU 513 TRU 488 MON 431 BUT 398 MSC 333 FRE 317 RÄI 295 ALO 294 HÄK 281 FIS 214 IRV 180 VIL 178 WEB 171 SAT 122 KAR 63 HEI 60 PAN 57 WUR 53 DLR 39 VER 39 DAM 33 HER 26 MAS 23 SAL 20 KLI 18 ZON 14 ALE 13 PIZ 11 ZAN 11 ALB 9 MAZ 4 BAD 3 WIL 1

by **rffp** » 26 May 2009, 02:21

Bleu wrote:Herbert has also five: Zanardi, Lamy, Adams, Fontana and Burti.

Herbert also drove with two champions: Schumacher and Hakkinen, plus he drove with the following runners-up: Frentzen, Barrichello and Irvine.

by **rffp** » 26 May 2009, 02:22

DonTirri wrote:Easy one: Eddie Irvine.

Wouldn't it be Felipe Massa?

by **Fitch** » 26 May 2009, 02:46

I was thinking Irvine as well because of 99, but it is Massa from Last year.............

by **Bleu** » 26 May 2009, 05:04

2006 here. Close at the front, but Button takes win, especially his Istanbul performance is noteworthy. Montoya well placed despite missing last eight races.

Code: Select all: BUT 183 FIS 151 MAS 145 MON 141 RÄI 121 ALO 79 TRU 71 BAR 65 HEI 55 MSC 48 WEB 26 RSC 24 COU 10 KUB 10 DLR 5 KLI 3

Top 10 1999-2006:

Code: Select all: RSC 823 BAR 728 BUT 581 MON 572 TRU 559 COU 523 RÄI 416 MSC 381 ALO 373 FIS 365

by **Bleu** » 26 May 2009, 17:22

2007. Total domination by BMW. In the overall, no changes on top.

Code: Select all: KUB 247 HEI 192 ALO 111 FIS 89 RÄI 77 HAM 56 WEB 53 ROS 53 MAS 42 WUR 30 COU 29 BUT 25 KOV 22 VET 17 TRU 8 RSC 7 LIU 5 BAR 1

Code: Select all: RSC 830 BAR 729 BUT 606 MON 572 TRU 567 COU 552 RÄI 493 ALO 484 FIS 454 MSC 381

by **Bleu** » 27 May 2009, 02:13

2008 Kubica takes the cake again and moves into top 10.

Code: Select all: KUB 178 ALO 159 KOV 109 RÄI 105 HAM 84 HEI 73 GLO 70 WEB 69 TRU 63 ROS 61 MAS 38 PIQ 29 VET 19 BAR 17 SUT 17 BOU 16 COU 8 FIS 1

Top 10:

Code: Select all: RSC 830 BAR 746 ALO 643 TRU 630 BUT 606 RÄI 598 MON 572 COU 560 FIS 455 KUB 435

by **Bleu** » 27 May 2009, 02:27

2009 It's going to be close on the top. Interesting thing to note that Glock hasn't driven a lap in 4th place this year, yet he has one - thanks to Hamilton disqualification in Australia:

Code: Select all: BAR 77 MAS 70 HAM 49 VET 40 KUB 30 TRU 15 ROS 13 RÄI 12 ALO 11 WEB 9 BUE 7 BUT 6 HEI 2 KOV 2 NAK 2 FIS 1

Code: Select all: RSC 830 BAR 823 ALO 654 TRU 645 BUT 612 RÄI 610 MON 572 COU 560 KUB 465 FIS 456 HEI 382 MSC 381 WEB 328 MAS 318 FRE 317 HÄK 281 HAM 189 IRV 180 VIL 178 KOV 133 ROS 127 SAT 122 WUR 83 VET 76 GLO 70 KAR 63 PAN 57 DLR 44 VER 39 DAM 33 PIQ 29 HER 26 KLI 21 SAL 20 SUT 17 BOU 16 ZON 14 ALE 13 PIZ 11 ZAN 11 ALB 9 BUE 7 LIU 5 MAZ 4 BAD 3 NAK 2 WIL 1

Marc Gene, Tiago Monteiro, Anthony Davidson and Markus Winkelhock deserve special mention - no laps in 4th place but all have laps in higher position.

Website · by **Wizzie** » 27 May 2009, 17:17

This is a question even I don't know:
Who has had the most teammates in one season?

by **rffp** » 27 May 2009, 19:09

Barrichello in 93 had Capelli, Boutsen, Apicella, Naspetti and Irvine. But maybe someone in the 70s had more.

by **dr-baker** » 27 May 2009, 21:48

Wizzie wrote:This is a question even I don't know:
Who has had the most teammates in one season?

In 1994, David Brabham at Simtek had the following five : Roland Ratzenberger, Andrea Montermini, Jean-Marc Gounon, Domenico Schiattarella, Taki Inoue. (obtained from the team's profile on the F1R site, where else...)

by **Nuppiz** » 28 May 2009, 06:32

A question about reject teams: which three drivers have driven for the largest amount of reject teams featured on this site? I know the answer, now let's see who is the quickest!

by **rffp** » 28 May 2009, 07:00

Nuppiz wrote:A question about reject teams: which three drivers have driven for the largest amount of reject teams featured on this site? I know the answer, now let's see who is the quickest!

The legendary Roberto Moreno drove for Coloni, Eurobrun, Andrea Moda and Forti. He also drove for AGS, which is not profiled yet.
Betrand Gachot drove for Onyx, Rial, Coloni and Pacific.

The third driver, I need to research.

by **Nuppiz** » 28 May 2009, 07:18

Correct so far, and finding the third driver is a bit trickier than just looking at the profile overviews.

by **thehemogoblin** » 28 May 2009, 07:26

De Crasheris?

It's a guess.

by **Nuppiz** » 28 May 2009, 07:34

thehemogoblin wrote:De Crasheris?

It's a guess.

Nope, but the nationality is correct. So we're looking for an Italian driver.
Also, just found another question. Who is the only driver killed in a racing accident that is featured in the Drivers Index of this page?
These two questions are unrelated, just making up some I-think-they-are-good-questions from the site.

by **rffp** » 28 May 2009, 08:21

Nuppiz wrote:Also, just found another question. Who is the only driver killed in a racing accident that is featured in the Drivers Index of this page?

Would it be Jo Gartner fulfilling the Austrian curse?

by **Nuppiz** » 28 May 2009, 08:24

rffp wrote:Would it be Jo Gartner fulfilling the Austrian curse?

Correct.

by **deCrasheris** » 28 May 2009, 08:26

rffp wrote:
Nuppiz wrote:A question about reject teams: which three drivers have driven for the largest amount of reject teams featured on this site? I know the answer, now let's see who is the quickest!

The legendary Roberto Moreno drove for Coloni, Eurobrun, Andrea Moda and Forti. He also drove for AGS, which is not profiled yet.
Betrand Gachot drove for Onyx, Rial, Coloni and Pacific.

The third driver, I need to research.

I think its Andrea Montermini who drove for Simtek, Pacific, Forti, and tested for lola (and was the first to see this car was awful) in 97 pre season testing.

by **Nuppiz** » 28 May 2009, 08:31

deCrasheris wrote:I think its Andrea Montermini who drove for Simtek, Pacific, Forti, and tested for lola (and was the first to see this car was awful) in 97 pre season testing.

Correct, the only man to drive for all of the mid-90s reject teams!

by **rffp** » 28 May 2009, 19:43

Curiously, Moreno was the only driver to actually make it to the grid with all these pile of junks!
Gachot never qualified with Rial and Coloni. Montermini never made it to the race with Simtek and Lola.

by **Nuppiz** » 28 May 2009, 20:09

That shows just how much talent Moreno actually had, especially scoring a point with the lousy AGS (albeit through the DSQ of Senna) in 1987! Too bad he was badly neglected by better teams apart from that 13-race stint with Benetton (where he scored an excellent second place right in his first race with them).

by **Faustus** » 28 May 2009, 20:58

Nuppiz wrote:That shows just how much talent Moreno actually had, especially scoring a point with the lousy AGS (albeit through the DSQ of Senna) in 1987! Too bad he was badly neglected by better teams apart from that 13-race stint with Benetton (where he scored an excellent second place right in his first race with them).

Absolutely!
Great driver, supremely talented and a nice guy! Test driver for Lotus and Ferrari (picked by Colin and Enzo, respectively, not many people can lay claim to that!), won the Intercontinental F3000 championship on a shoe-string budget and was finally able to show what he was worth at Benetton in 1990, where he promptly finished 2nd. Plus, he was the perfect size for a racing driver!
I don't think there are many drivers who could have dragged the Coloni C3 onto the grid in 1989 or the Andrea Moda in 1992 like he did. Oh and the EuroBrun running at the front in first free practice at Phoenix in 1990!

by **Popi_Larrauri** » 28 May 2009, 23:17

Bleu wrote:2009 It's going to be close on the top. Interesting thing to note that Glock hasn't driven a lap in 4th place this year, yet he has one - thanks to Hamilton disqualification in Australia:
Code: Select all
BAR 77 MAS 70 HAM 49 VET 40 KUB 30 TRU 15 ROS 13 RÄI 12 ALO 11 WEB 9 BUE 7 BUT 6 HEI 2 KOV 2 NAK 2 FIS 1

Code: Select all
RSC 830 BAR 823 ALO 654 TRU 645 BUT 612 RÄI 610 MON 572 COU 560 KUB 465 FIS 456 HEI 382 MSC 381 WEB 328 MAS 318 FRE 317 HÄK 281 HAM 189 IRV 180 VIL 178 KOV 133 ROS 127 SAT 122 WUR 83 VET 76 GLO 70 KAR 63 PAN 57 DLR 44 VER 39 DAM 33 PIQ 29 HER 26 KLI 21 SAL 20 SUT 17 BOU 16 ZON 14 ALE 13 PIZ 11 ZAN 11 ALB 9 BUE 7 LIU 5 MAZ 4 BAD 3 NAK 2 WIL 1

Marc Gene, Tiago Monteiro, Anthony Davidson and Markus Winkelhock deserve special mention - no laps in 4th place but all have laps in higher position.

Great job, pal!

And an easy one to end this marathon of SQL queries: Who of them never finished higher than fourth? who is the most frustrated one?

by **Popi_Larrauri** » 28 May 2009, 23:19

rffp wrote:Curiously, Moreno was the only driver to actually make it to the grid with all these pile of junks!
Gachot never qualified with Rial and Coloni. Montermini never made it to the race with Simtek and Lola.

Gabriela Tarquini must come close third behind Moreno and Montermini.

by **rffp** » 28 May 2009, 23:26

Tarquini drove for the rejects Osella, Coloni, AGS and Fondmetal.

by **Jack O Malley** » 29 May 2009, 03:12

Popi_Larrauri wrote:
And an easy one to end this marathon of SQL queries: Who of them never finished higher than fourth? who is the most frustrated one?

Looking at those numbers I'd say Karthikeyan, then Da Matta (three 6th) and Klien (1 5th, 1 6th)

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