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Re: The HRT thread

Postby DanielPT » 19 Feb 2011, 01:18

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DanielPT wrote:I agree that it would be interesting to see him back in an F1 car. He was too young the last time and he fluffed it badly.


It seems like I'm continously trying to argue with you, and sorry about that. But how's 25 too young?


No problem! :) I like a good arguing challenge!

Indeed 25 is not that young for recent standards. Thing is, not everyone can be ready at 19 or 20 or something like that, and, above all, not everyone can do the jump. Most people can't make it because they need more experience or need to mature more in order to give the best of themselves. What I meant over there was that I is pretty much possible that Pantano was too young in his race career and in his life timing to make it work. I should have said that it was too soon for him. Perhaps that sounds better...

This was a problem that didn't existed in the past. With people entering F1 at 25 or later and having time to mature at their pace, you could be champion much later in your life. Take Keke Rosberg. He was champion at 34. I saw how he went in the first year of his F1 career. It was littered with DNPQs and DNQs. If it was today he could have never become champion. (He entered F1 at 30).
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Re: The HRT thread

Postby CarlosFerreira » 19 Feb 2011, 01:55

Myrvold wrote:Narain will test 2 days at Barcelona and the last days will be split between three ex-F1 drivers. Liuzzi, Klien and Pantano (This is a italian site reporting)


Does any of those three have any money to go racing? I'm assuming HRT needs someone with a hefty wallet.
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Re: The HRT thread

Postby Myrvold » 19 Feb 2011, 02:41

http://italiaracing.net/notizia.asp?id=30419&cat=1

Here is the link. However, it does not name Klien or Pantano. I guess Pantano is mentioned because of his Pirelli-driving at Monza, reportedly in a HRT.
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Re: The HRT thread

Postby Alianora La Canta » 19 Feb 2011, 07:11

Liuzzi should have money via Force India (remember he still has a year to go on his contract to them).

Narain should have money via his Indian sponsors.

Pantano... ...I didn't know he had any money.
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Re: The HRT thread

Postby Faustus » 19 Feb 2011, 07:27

Alianora La Canta wrote:Liuzzi should have money via Force India (remember he still has a year to go on his contract to them).

Narain should have money via his Indian sponsors.

Pantano... ...I didn't know he had any money.


I don't think Pantano ever had any decent amount of money to pay for his racing. He didn't bring any funding when he drove for Jordan in 2004 and he didn't pay for his drive with Racing Engineering in GP2 in 2008, in fact, he was paid to drive, an almost unheard of thing in GP2.
I don't think Liuzzi would be silly enough to 'invest' his pay-off from Force India in a drive with HRT...
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Re: The HRT thread

Postby watka » 19 Feb 2011, 07:50

Heart says Klien for the seat, but head says Liuzzi will get it...
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Re: The HRT thread

Postby Ferrim » 19 Feb 2011, 08:59

Faustus wrote:I don't think Pantano ever had any decent amount of money to pay for his racing. He didn't bring any funding when he drove for Jordan in 2004


But wasn't the lack of payment from his sponsors the reason why he was replaced by Glock at Canada and then again for the last races of the season?
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Re: The HRT thread

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Re: The HRT thread

Postby Wizzie » 19 Feb 2011, 12:19



Sometimes I wonder if he has realised yet that he's always been slightly out of sync with the rest of the universe. :lol:

Then again I could be wrong and I could end up with ROTY on the basis of this post.
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Re: The HRT thread

Postby thehemogoblin » 19 Feb 2011, 12:51

CarlosFerreira wrote:
Myrvold wrote:Narain will test 2 days at Barcelona and the last days will be split between three ex-F1 drivers. Liuzzi, Klien and Pantano (This is a italian site reporting)


Does any of those three have any money to go racing? I'm assuming HRT needs someone with a hefty wallet.


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Re: The HRT thread

Postby CarlosFerreira » 19 Feb 2011, 20:41

thehemogoblin wrote:
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Myrvold wrote:Narain will test 2 days at Barcelona and the last days will be split between three ex-F1 drivers. Liuzzi, Klien and Pantano (This is a italian site reporting)


Does any of those three have any money to go racing? I'm assuming HRT needs someone with a hefty wallet.


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Re: The HRT thread

Postby jpm » 20 Feb 2011, 05:39

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/89574

Oh here we go again...I must say I never thought I'd hear Giorgio Mondini's name bandied around the F1 padock again, but with HRT you never know! They are just the surprise team, plucking a name out of a hat of ex-F1 drivers from the past 10 years; first Yamamoto, then Klien, then Karthikeyan, now this. My my.

Then again I guess we shouldn't be surprised considering he drove for Midland under Kolles and then drove for his sportscar team. Who are they going to appoint as test driver? Mangal Pande?
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Re: The HRT thread

Postby dr-baker » 20 Feb 2011, 06:32

jpm wrote:http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/89574

Oh here we go again...I must say I never thought I'd hear Giorgio Mondini's name bandied around the F1 padock again, but with HRT you never know! They are just the surprise team, plucking a name out of a hat of ex-F1 drivers from the past 10 years; first Yamamoto, then Klien, then Karthikeyan, now this. My my.

Then again I guess we shouldn't be surprised considering he drove for Midland under Kolles and then drove for his sportscar team. Who are they going to appoint as test driver? Mangal Pande?

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Re: The HRT thread

Postby P_Friesacher » 20 Feb 2011, 07:43

Perhaps Colles himself might want to take a shot?
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Re: The HRT thread

Postby ADx_Wales » 20 Feb 2011, 07:51

Liuzzi testing HRT in Barca, faster than the other respective "new" team's drivers.

Can they afford him or can they find a sponsor who will afford him?
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Re: The HRT thread

Postby JeremyMcClean » 20 Feb 2011, 09:45

My signs point to Pantano since HRT already hired three drivers who hasn't driven in recent memory... Yamamoto, Klien, and Karthikeyan. Looking at the trend these days, it looks as if Pantano might get the drive.

And Liuzzi can go suck an egg.
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Re: The HRT thread

Postby Mister Fungus » 20 Feb 2011, 10:09

I have no idea who this guy is. I didn't follow F1 much in mid 2000's (result of Schumacher domination).
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Re: The HRT thread

Postby Captain Hammer » 20 Feb 2011, 11:15

ADx_Wales wrote:Can they afford him or can they find a sponsor who will afford him?

Hispania (allegedly) have a Swiss backer.

Mister Fungus wrote:I have no idea who this guy is. I didn't follow F1 much in mid 2000's (result of Schumacher domination).

He tested for Midland in 2006, but never raced. He drove on Fridays at nine events - Sepang, Imola, Catalunya, Monaco, Silverstone, Montreal, Indianapolis, Istanbul and Monza.
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Re: The HRT thread

Postby fjackdaw » 20 Feb 2011, 21:38

I always like it when drivers I'd never previously heard of show up in F1, so I'm hoping for Mondini!
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Re: The HRT thread

Postby DanielPT » 21 Feb 2011, 22:20

Captain Hammer wrote:
ADx_Wales wrote:Can they afford him or can they find a sponsor who will afford him?

Hispania (allegedly) have a Swiss backer.


Well, if they have a backer, then I guess Liuzzi would be the best bet among the available drivers. Unless they want to give a chance to someone completely new... Saying that, Mondini wasn't too far behind Liuzzi at the test and both were better than Karthikayan (assuming they all had the chance to show their worth).
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Re: The HRT thread

Postby fjackdaw » 21 Feb 2011, 23:04

DanielPT wrote:
Captain Hammer wrote:
ADx_Wales wrote:Can they afford him or can they find a sponsor who will afford him?

Hispania (allegedly) have a Swiss backer.


Well, if they have a backer, then I guess Liuzzi would be the best bet among the available drivers. Unless they want to give a chance to someone completely new... Saying that, Mondini wasn't too far behind Liuzzi at the test and both were better than Karthikayan (assuming they all had the chance to show their worth).


Mondini is Swiss, apparently, which could point towards him.
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Re: The HRT thread

Postby Captain Hammer » 21 Feb 2011, 23:18

Yes, he is. My bet is that Hispania have a Swiss backer and a contract that states they will get a bigger payout if they run a Swiss driver in some capacity.
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Re: The HRT thread

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Re: The HRT thread

Postby DanielPT » 22 Feb 2011, 01:34



Can't help to think that this is very entertaining. I am seriously loving it. I thought that these kind of teams were forever lost in the late 80's and early to mid 90's, but no!
Every day, sound professional ideas and words of hope come from HRT. And then they do this kind of stuff! With Bahrain test probably cancelled, HRT managed to arrive at a similiar situation as they were last year. A "new" untested car and a driver that as barely turned the wheel of a car this pre-season. It's reject galore, my friends, enjoy it!
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Re: The HRT thread

Postby BlindCaveSalamander » 22 Feb 2011, 01:37



No, they're HRT.

This is fantastic - I thought I'd never see these kind of antics in F1 in my life!
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Re: The HRT thread

Postby Ferrim » 22 Feb 2011, 02:15

BlindCaveSalamander wrote:


No, they're HRT.



And they are very short of money.
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Re: The HRT thread

Postby mario » 22 Feb 2011, 02:22

DanielPT wrote:


Can't help to think that this is very entertaining. I am seriously loving it. I thought that these kind of teams were forever lost in the late 80's and early to mid 90's, but no!
Every day, sound professional ideas and words of hope come from HRT. And then they do this kind of stuff! With Bahrain test probably cancelled, HRT managed to arrive at a similiar situation as they were last year. A "new" untested car and a driver that as barely turned the wheel of a car this pre-season. It's reject galore, my friends, enjoy it!

Well, it seems that the Bahrain test and Grand Prix have been withdrawn after consultations with the Crown Prince, although it is not entirely clear whether the race is off entirely or just being postponed.
Ironically, though, this will probably be advantageous to HRT since the first race will probably be replaced with another test session, given that a replacement race has been ruled out.

Still, it's unclear why HRT have left the circuit with a day remaining, especially when they could put one or more of the drivers jostling for the 2nd seat into the car. It's not leaving the circuit early that is most rejectful, though - most of the teams have spent the day preparing to leave anyway - but the fact that they just left without explaining why.
Even a simple press statement saying, for example, that they've finished their evaluation of the tyres or drivers, is something I could have accepted - but to effectively do a runner at 2am almost looks suspicious.
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Re: The HRT thread

Postby madmark1974 » 22 Feb 2011, 02:55

mario wrote:Still, it's unclear why HRT have left the circuit with a day remaining, especially when they could put one or more of the drivers jostling for the 2nd seat into the car. It's not leaving the circuit early that is most rejectful, though - most of the teams have spent the day preparing to leave anyway - but the fact that they just left without explaining why.
Even a simple press statement saying, for example, that they've finished their evaluation of the tyres or drivers, is something I could have accepted - but to effectively do a runner at 2am almost looks suspicious.


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Re: The HRT thread

Postby David AGS » 22 Feb 2011, 19:58

Maybe its a money issue?

Possibly. But they have nothing to test because they got last years car! Pretty reliable.

Maybe they knew for sure that the Bahrain race was going to be cancelled, so it's no point spending another day in Spain, where they are going to go there in about 2 weeks or so.

I also would have thought they would have run the new livery on the old car as well!
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Re: The HRT thread

Postby DanielPT » 22 Feb 2011, 20:42

David AGS wrote:Maybe its a money issue?

Possibly. But they have nothing to test because they got last years car! Pretty reliable.

Maybe they knew for sure that the Bahrain race was going to be cancelled, so it's no point spending another day in Spain, where they are going to go there in about 2 weeks or so.

I also would have thought they would have run the new livery on the old car as well!


It is certainly a money issue. I think they were saving it and didn't saw the point of another testing day. Thing is, they are from Spain, so it is not like they had to fly everything to the race track. If we look at it that way, it even makes less sense. So, they probably wanted to concentrate their effort in building a car. But they could've made a press release saying that and not sneaking through the night. It was rejectful, as mario said, and will make a good addition to a future profile.
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Re: The HRT thread

Postby Valrys » 22 Feb 2011, 22:13

DanielPT wrote:
David AGS wrote:Maybe its a money issue?

Possibly. But they have nothing to test because they got last years car! Pretty reliable.

Maybe they knew for sure that the Bahrain race was going to be cancelled, so it's no point spending another day in Spain, where they are going to go there in about 2 weeks or so.

I also would have thought they would have run the new livery on the old car as well!


Thing is, they are from Spain, so it is not like they had to fly everything to the race track.

They're based out of Kolles's garages in Germany....
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Re: The HRT thread

Postby DanielPT » 22 Feb 2011, 22:19

Valrys wrote:
DanielPT wrote:Thing is, they are from Spain, so it is not like they had to fly everything to the race track.

They're based out of Kolles's garages in Germany....


Yes, it is only their administrative headquarters that is in Spain. My bad. But I think the point still stands.
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Re: The HRT thread

Postby S951 » 22 Feb 2011, 22:35

well if they sign tonio or klein will be good to see how they would do.

as with everything hrt f1 I have this feeling if tonio gets the seat he will do ok bit like how brabham at simtek did in 94 at the back but not miles away
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Re: The HRT thread

Postby europeanminardi » 22 Feb 2011, 22:49

why do so many people want Tonio back in F1?

he's got his chances. he has done nothing but robbing Christian Klien's seat at Red Bull (yes, I am a disgruntled Klien-supporter).
what has Liuzzi accomplished in F1? nothing! no wins, no podiums, niente. I think the honour of being ROTY 2010 is the most important title he got since the F3000 championship in 2004.

go race Formula Superleague or something, just let somebody with talent drive the car.

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Re: The HRT thread

Postby Jeroen Krautmeir » 22 Feb 2011, 22:58

europeanminardi wrote:he's got his chances. he has done nothing but robbing Christian Klien's seat at Red Bull (yes, I am a disgruntled Klien-supporter).

High five.

I personally want to see an IndyCar star get into Formula One. The slicks *should* mean the transition isn't as hard, though you shouldn't say that in front of a certain Frenchman.
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Re: The HRT thread

Postby S951 » 22 Feb 2011, 23:02

would be good to see Klein back I agree his time at Jag and red bull wasn't exactly fair on him.

BUT with this being HRT I wouldn't be to surprised with them bringing in a real obscure driver like they have done, Winkelhock maybe lol
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Re: The HRT thread

Postby fjackdaw » 23 Feb 2011, 01:13

europeanminardi wrote:why do so many people want Tonio back in F1?

he's got his chances. he has done nothing but robbing Christian Klien's seat at Red Bull (yes, I am a disgruntled Klien-supporter).
what has Liuzzi accomplished in F1? nothing! no wins, no podiums, niente. I think the honour of being ROTY 2010 is the most important title he got since the F3000 championship in 2004.

go race Formula Superleague or something, just let somebody with talent drive the car.

(Dani Clos? Adam Carroll? Neel Yani? ROY NISSANY!!!!)


Yes, I think Tonio has had ample opportunity to show what he's made of now, and it wasn't excessively impressive. Time to give a new future star/reject, or an underused talent like Klein or Pantano, a shot at F1 mediocrity.
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Re: The HRT thread

Postby Cynon » 23 Feb 2011, 02:12

Jeroen Krautmeir wrote:
europeanminardi wrote:he's got his chances. he has done nothing but robbing Christian Klien's seat at Red Bull (yes, I am a disgruntled Klien-supporter).

High five.

I personally want to see an IndyCar star get into Formula One. The slicks *should* mean the transition isn't as hard, though you shouldn't say that in front of a certain Frenchman.


IndyCars and F1 cars have been very different kettles of fish ever since the 1980s, and only the extraordinary make the transition and win in both (I maintain that Michael Andretti would have made it in F1 if he stayed two more years and won races). However, F3000 drivers seem to transition just fine to American single seaters, so dare I say that F3000 drivers had no business going to F1 and should have been hopping into IRL/CART rides left right and center? GP2 dropouts have done worse in the IRL (Viso, Conway) then they have in GP2... and Justin Wilson's learning curve was rather steep...

Despite that, I don't want Tonio Liuzzi in the IRL, because he's, simply put, an underachieving SOB who had tons of potential but only used it whenever his team threatened him with his job.

Alternatively, I want to see Lewis Hamilton or Jenson Button come to the IRL? Maybe Massa or Alonso can join them here? :mrgreen:
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Re: The HRT thread

Postby DanielPT » 23 Feb 2011, 02:36

Cynon wrote:Alternatively, I want to see Lewis Hamilton or Jenson Button come to the IRL? Maybe Massa or Alonso can join them here? :mrgreen:


I can give you Massa but Alonso stays. In return I want Sato. I can exchange Button for Franchitti. Elsewhere I have Liuzzi and Klien for exchange. Do you want? And I also propose exchanging Petrov and Maldonado for Danica Patrick. What do you say? :D
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Re: The HRT thread

Postby jpm » 23 Feb 2011, 02:39

Jeroen Krautmeir wrote:
europeanminardi wrote:he's got his chances. he has done nothing but robbing Christian Klien's seat at Red Bull (yes, I am a disgruntled Klien-supporter).

High five.


High five seconded... Klien for me has been one of those Nick Heidfeld figures who has done a great job under the radar. I suppose his whole career would have turned out differently had he ended up on the podium Monaco 2006 as he was destined to do (he was ahead of DC) but for gearbox issues. (X-Trac anyone???? ;) Just imagine, KLien would have been the Red bull golden boy and Vettel would'nt have got a look in. He must have some talent in order to win the F3 MAsters at Zandvoort at 19 or however old he was back in 03, at his first attempt, atnd frequently outqualified Coulthard whilst at RBR. He trounced Liuzzi and Senna; he is probably one of the most deserving drivers, (aside from Adam Carroll) who is not in F1 currently. To be honest I'm surprised he wasn't in the reckoning at Renault, when in Autosport names like Anthony Davidson were being banded around despite his Peugeot Le Mans duties
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